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Royal Indian Engineering College

2018-10-06T15:05:35Z

HughWilding: Update of fate of site plus link to Wikipedia article

The '''Royal Indian Engineering College''' (RIEC) was established at Cooper's Hill, Surrey, England in 1870 to train [[Civil Engineers]] for the Indian [[Public Works Department]]. From 1885 it also encapsulated an Indian [[Forestry]] training school. It closed in 1906 when tis work was transferred to India.

The college was colloquially referred to as Cooper's Hill and "ICE College" (ICE being an acronym for Indian Civil Engineering).

After the college moved out in 1906, the buildings stood empty until bought in 1911 by Baroness Cheylesmore for use as a private home.

Later, the site became Shoreditch College of Education, a teacher's college specializing in handicraft education, before becoming the Runnymede Campus of Brunel University (until 2007). The site was acquired in 2016 by the Audley Group for conversion into a retirement village, due to open in early 2019.

==FIBIS Resources==
[http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_components&id=913 Records relating to The Royal Indian Engineering College Coopers Hill] FIBIS database includes [http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_dataset&id=1282&s_id=913 Register of Students Admitted to The Royal Indian Engineering College Coopers Hill 1871-1906]

== External Links ==
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924101205643#page/n173/mode/2up Entrance requirements c 1872 Indian Civil Engineering College], page 164 ''Index Scholasticus: Sons and daughters. A guide to parents in the choice of educational institutions, preparatory to professional or other occupation of their children'' by R. Kemp Philp 1872 Archive.org
*[http://www.shoreditchcollege.org/pages/RIEC.html Royal Indian Engineering College] Web page of Shoreditch College displaying various weblinks about the RIEC.
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Indian_Engineering_College Royal Indian Engineering College] Wikipedia article with, ''inter alia'', list of Presidents (1872-1906) and other academic staff.

[[Category: Education]]
[[Category: Educational institutions]]

FibiwikiProject Postcards/Members

2012-11-11T22:00:56Z

HughWilding: Added me as a member

Please feel free to add your name to this list if you would like to join the [[FibiwikiProject Postcards|project]] <Br>
Please add your name in ALPHABETICAL order below using the [[User:|Name]] format; feel free to indicate any areas of special interest

# [[User:Lee|Beverly]] - Project coordinator. I collect early Postcards of India.
# [[User:HughWilding|Hugh]] - occasional dabbler! My postacrds relate mainly to Indian railways.

[[Category:FibiwikiProject Postcards|Members]]

Bengal and Assam Railway

2012-06-12T23:12:21Z

HughWilding: Typo correction

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|caption= ''Bengal and Assam Railway device''
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|company1details= [[Assam-Bengal Railway]]
|company2= 1942
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|company3= 1942-1945
|company3details= [[Dibru-Sadiya Railway]]
|company4= 1943
|company4details= [[Jorhat State Railway]]
|company5= 1944
|company5details= [[Sara-Sirajgonj Railway]]
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|workshop= [[Kanchrapara]] (EB Zone)
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|system1date= 1947
|system1details= Division of system following Partition
|system2date= 1947<br>1952<br><br>
|system2details= BAR within India renamed [[Assam Railway]]<br>AR merged into [[North Eastern Railway]]] (IR zone)
|system3date= 1947<br><br>1961<br>1972
|system3details= BAR within East Pakistan renamed [[Eastern Bengal Railway]]<br>EBR renamed [[Pakistan Eastern Railway]]<br>PER renamed [[Bangladesh Railway]]
|gauge1= Broad gauge
|gauge1details= 898 miles (1943)
|gauge2= Metre gauge
|gauge2details= 2543 miles (1943)
|gauge3= 2' 6" NG
|gauge3details= 37 miles (1943)
|gauge4= 2' 0"
|gauge4details= 32 miles (1943)
|auxillary forces= [[Assam Bengal Railway Battalion]]<br>[[Eastern Bengal Railway Battalion]]
}}

The '''Bengal and Assam Railway''' (BAR) was formed on 1 January 1942 by the amlgamation of the [[Assam-Bengal Railway]] (ABR) with the [[Eastern Bengal Railway]] (EBR).

== History ==

On the expiry of the [[Assam Bengal Railway|Assam-Bengal Railway's]] contract at the end of 1941, the Government of India exercised its option and took over the ABR, merging it with the EBR to create the '''Bengal and Assam Railway'''. On 1 April 1942, the BAR took over operational control of the [[Dibru-Sadiya Railway]] for the duration of the war (WW2). On 1 October 1943, the GoI took over the [[Jorhat State Railway]] and on 1 October 1944, the [[Sara-Sirajgonj Railway]], merging both in turn into the BAR.

For administrative convenience, the section of the BAR west of the [[Brahmaputra]] was referred to as the ''EB Zone'' and that to the east as the ''AB Zone'', retaining the nomenclature in use before the amalgamation.

In 1947, the BAR was divided between the two new nations of [[India]] and [[Pakistan]]. That part remaining in India was renamed the [[Assam Railway]]; in 1952, this was merged into a new zone of Indian Railways, [[North Eastern Railway]].

The part of BAR within the area of East Pakistan was renamed the [[Eastern Bengal Railway]] with ownership and control vested in the Central Government of Pakistan. In 1961, the system was further renamed [[Pakistan Eastern Railway]].

In 1972, Pakistan Eastern Railway became [[Bangladesh Railway]].

== External links ==

*[http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/R_0048.HTM "Railway"] ''Banglapedia''.

*[http://www.railway.gov.bd/brief_history.asp "Brief History"] ''Bangladesh Railway''.

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Railway "Bangladesh Railway"] ''Wikipedia''.

[[Category:Railways]]
[[Category:State Railways]]
[[Category:Pakistan Railways]]

Eastern Bengal Railway

2011-09-02T06:25:17Z

HughWilding: Typo

{{Line Railways Infobox
|image=
|caption=
|route= [[Calcutta]] to [[Faridpur]] (BG) with branches to<br>[[Budge Budge]], [[Diamond Harbour]], [[Lalgola]]
|gauge1= Broad gauge
|gauge1details= 495 miles (1905)
|gauge2= Metre gauge
|gauge2details= 637 miles (1905)
|gauge3= 2' 6" NG
|gauge3details= 55 miles (1905)
|gauge4=
|gauge4details=
|timeline1date= 1857
|timeline1details= Formed as [[Guaranteed Railways|Guaranteed company]]
|timeline2date=
|timeline2details= [[Calcutta and South Eastern Railway]] merger
|timeline3date= 1884
|timeline3details= Taken over by State
|timeline4date=
|timeline4details=
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|presidency= [[Bengal]]
|stations= [[Sealdah]], [[Dum Dum]], [[Naihati]], [[Kaliganga]], [[Rajbari]], [[Goalundo]], [[Ranaghat]], [[Krishnagar]], [[Plassey]], [[Murshidabad]]
|system1date= 1884
|system1details= State agency
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|image= Eastern Bengal Railway logo.jpg
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|timeline1details= Renamed '''Eastern Bengal State Railway'''
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|company5= 1887
|company5details= [[Kaunia-Kurigram Railway]]
|company6=
|company6details= [[Cooch Behar Railway]]
|company7=
|company7details= [[Mymensingh-Jamalpur-Jagannath Railway]]
|company8=
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|company9= 1904
|company9details= [[Bengal Central Railway]]
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|company10details= [[Brahmaputra-Sultanpur Railway]]
|company11=
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|company12= 1941
|company12details= [[Bengal Dooars Railway]]
|headquarters= [[Calcutta]]
|workshop= [[Kanchrapara]]
|stations= [[Bangaon]], [[Jessore]],
|system1date= 1942
|system1details= Merged into [[Bengal and Assam Railway]]
|system2date=
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|gauge1= Broad gauge
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The '''Eastern Bengal Railway''' (EBR) was formed in 1857 for "the construction and working of a line from Calcutta to Dacca, with a branch to Jessore. Capital 1,000,000''l''. This amount has been sanctioned for the line from Calcutta to the Ganges at Kooshtee, near Pubnah, about 80 miles, all that is authorised to be proceeded with at present. Rate of Interest Guaranteed - 5 per cent on 1,000,000''l''." <sup>1</sup>

== History ==

The first track was laid along the east bank of the Ganga to [[Kushthia]] and then across the river to [[Dacca]]. The line to Kushthia was opened in 1862, ending in [[Calcutta]] at [[Sealdah]]. The EBR became the '''Eastern Bengal State Railway''', owned and managed by the Government of India (GoI), on 30 June 1884.

The GoI merged the [[Calcutta and South Eastern Railway]] into the EBSR, and several others in 1887. In 1904, the EBSR took over the [[Bengal Central Railway]] which it had previously been working, and the [[Brahmaputra-Sultanpur Railway]]. In 1915, the system reverted to the style, '''Eastern Bengal Railway'''.

During the 1920s, the EBR continued to grow by merger and amalgamation, and also began to convert sections of metre and narrow gauge to eliminate rail bottlenecks. On 1 January 1941, the GoI acquired the [[Bengal Dooars Railway]] and merged it into the EBR.

In 1942, the GoI merged the EBR with the [[Assam Bengal Railway]] to create the [[Bengal and Assam Railway]].

== Records ==

The following are held in the [[India Office Records]] at the [[British Library]].

*'''L/AG/46/10/35''' : Contracts of appointment (1862-1869).

The above is partially indexed in

*'''Z/L/AG/46''' : Index to UK Appointments to Indian Railways (1849-1925)

The following is not included in the index Z/L/AG/46.

*'''L/AG/46/10/35''' : Lists of staff, 1879-1881.

== External links ==

[http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/R_0048.htm "Railway"] ''Banglapedia''.

[http://www.railway.gov.bd/brief_history.asp "Brief History"] ''Bangladesh Railway''.

== Notes ==

<sup>1</sup> "Money Market and City Intelligence", ''The Times'', Wednesday, 15 June 1859, #23333, 7a.

[[Category:Railways]]
[[Category:Guaranteed Railways]]
[[Category:State Railways]]

User talk:Symorsebrown

2010-08-16T10:15:17Z

HughWilding: Reply

==Redirects==
Sy, I've worked out why those redirects weren't working. It's because there was a category above the redirect code. The <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[article]]</nowiki> needs to be the first thing on the page. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:18, 22 March 2009 (PDT)

==Indian Army==
Yes, that was a good idea to put (British), as 'from 1895' didn't then rule out the post-Indp army. I saw that wikipedia page too, it is helpful (and I might copy their table). As I didn't know that much about the Indian Army I used it to decide that things should only be categorised as Indian Army after 1895 and before that still as the Company Armies. As it said that before 1895 Indian Army was only an unofficial term I have decided to stick to that rule. If someone who knows much more about the Indian Army than us thinks it should be otherwise, then we can change it again. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 01:51, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

:Its getting there! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 05:43, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

==Skinner's Horse==
I saw you put in that biographical information from the roots list. Do you know if it is a direct quote from the Dictionary of Indian Biography? If so, and that is not an out of copyright book, we cannot use it on the page. A rewrite in your own words (and then a reference) would probably be fine. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 01:51, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

:'''Re:copyright''' As I understand the situation, anything on the site must adhere to UK/EU copyright law, regardless of who has added the information and where they are located. In cases where one is unsure, err on the side of caution so as not to cause problems for Fibis. In this case I don't think we can use the text, but it is perfectly acceptable to write a piece based on the text (and probably helpful just to acknowledge that in a references section). It's a nice background piece for Skinner's Horse so a rewrite and reference is probably the answer. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 05:43, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

==Page names==
I ''think'' it's probably proper (so to speak) to have the page titles be the full regiment name, which I assume then is 2nd Regiment of Foot (and maybe something in brackets where it is appropriate). If in the ''first'' sentence/paragraph of the article it states 'May be referred to as '''2nd Foot''' or the '''Queen's Own'''' (or whatever is correct in this instance) then I think that should still work fine for google searches. You've already been doing that for some of the native regiments. I think it only need be done for the most common names or shorthands because all those other name changes come up in the chronologies. I don't think there can be a perfect solution to this as regiment names are a bit of a minefield, but that is my suggestion. What do you think? An alternative/additional solution would be redirects for those other common names. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:57, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

== re various matters ==

*'''[[19th Regiment of Foot]]'''
Sorry, didn't have time to reply yesterday but did fix the issue you mentioned - I just made the first sentence not a heading but bold instead. I'm sure you knew how to do that already but just couldn't see the wood for the trees for a minute. I think making the Cathy Day website article into a subarticle was fine, but I am just checking with Valmay about this in case there is a solution she would prefer. I think your chronology should probably go above the old article though, just to keep it is the same place on all articles.
*'''[[Skinner's Horse]]'''
Did you have a think about rewriting the copyright section? I can do it if you like as I don't think we should leave it up there too long in its present state.
*'''Church article'''
Thats got good information. Obviously we can't copy the text, but can include the info somewhere. For now I just made the [[Thalassery]] location article and put the link in there. Can be linked up with churches category somehow later, but for now its there for anyone looking up Thalassery.

[[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:39, 27 March 2009 (PDT)

==29/3/09==
*'''[[19th Regiment of Foot]]'''
I checked this out with Valmay. The way you incorporated the old article was fine. I am going to make a little template to use for those with those articles transferred from Cathy Day's site and elsewhere, but don't worry about that - it'll make sense once you see it.

*'''[[Belwar]] & [[Belwar (Fort)]]'''
Truth is, I have no idea if a town of Belwar exists away from the fort, which is why I left as is for now. A quick google search shone no light on the issue. Belwar seems to be a tribe also? Let's leave two seperate articles for now (as it doesn't hurt) and just link them together. Hopefully, someone will know and be able to sort the issue out at a later date.

*'''Madras infantry matters'''
Hmm, I'm not totally sure as I don't know much about the Presidency infantry regiments. All the regiments I've come across for my own research have been cavalry or artillery (not that I know a great deal about those either!) so I haven't had much cause to investigate the infantry ones. I don't fully understand about the Native/European regiment issue. Looking at Madras infantry regiment category I see we have the following example -
*24th Regiment of Madras Infantry
*24th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry
I take it the first is the European regiment? My instinct is to keep them all in one category so as not to confuse someone browsing. I wonder if the European ones should be named as such (ie 24th Regiment of Madras European Infantry). Depends what their official name is I suppose. Do you have Peter Bailey's HEIC armies book? I don't, but wonder if it makes these issues any clearer. I don't think we need that extra category Madras Infantry inside the Madras Infantry Regiments category. Unless I have misunderstood, the two new articles you have created, [[Madras European Infantry]] and [[Madras Native Infantry]] are general articles covering all the regiments that fall under those titles. I am going to move the two articles up into the main category. They will be the perfect place to explain the differences etc between the two when you understand that.

*'''Wars/battles dates in categories'''
As far as I know, you cannot change the way the name displays in the list of categories/articles. Example - if the article on one of the Afghan wars does not have a date, we cannot make the wiki show one. The only way around this I can think of is to have an article that is a chronological list of wars/battles etc. I quite like the idea of that as it would provide a nice linked up history (also a good way to browse what is happening in India whilst your soldier ancestor is out there), although I appreciate it might be a bit of a task. Perhaps even just a list of wars/campaigns and major battles might work. What do you think?

Let me know if I've forgotten anything! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:48, 29 March 2009 (PDT)

==Re Madras Infantry==
I'm not sure if I have misunderstood all that about the European/Native infantry. If I'm reading your articles right, there were 3 Euro regiments and about 50 Natv ones? Then how does that affect the example I gave above about the 24th regiments? Are they in fact the same regiment and the articles should be merged? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:39, 29 March 2009 (PDT)

== Bilwa ==

Sy, I'll answer your other comments when I have more time tomorrow, but I was trying to find out something about Belwar/Bilwa and came across this article: [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NENZC18580630.2.13&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all NZ Chronicle archive] (I've found some very useful articles on there over the past few months). Bilwa is mentioned about a third of the way into the article and it clearly demarcates the town and the fort (to my reading, anyhow). Can't find it on google earth though so still don't know if it exists anymore. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:47, 30 March 2009 (PDT)

==Other matters==
*'''Chronological list of wars'''
Ok, lets do this then. It's donkey work I'm afraid, but it doesn't need to be rushed. Now, you have input all the battles so you are best placed to know this - are there lots of battles that don't form a part of specific campaigns? Do you think the list should just be wars, campaigns and isolated battles, rather than say list all battles of the Indian Mutiny? (That could be its own article perhaps.) Right, I have made a page here - [[Chronological list of wars and battles]] and a rough lead sentence and structure. We can change the article name if you think something else is more appropriate. I think we should break the list into double decades for readability and usability, so have done a few, but if I haven't started early enough, just put those in or if you think it should be broken into smaller sections go ahead. I have done a table format to keep it all uniform. Let me know if you need a hand working it out. We can add more columns if you think of something else important to go in. Anyhow, like I say, I have only made a rough version to get going with and we can make any changes necessary. I suggest going through the wars category by alphabet to fill this in and make a note on the talk page of the chronological list as to which letter you have got up to. Then we can both work on the list when we have time but still know what the other has done. Does that make sense?

*'''[[Battle of Belwar Fort]]'''
Good idea to put that article snippet in. I fixed the picture size - just have a look on the edit page and you can see what I did. I might've found Belwar on a modern map. Not sure - see what you think. It's about 30 miles SE of Gorakhpur and just north of the larger town Deoria on this [http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/india/txu-oclc-6614190-ng44-8.jpg map]. This [http://www.pdavis.nl/Mutiny.htm account] about it seems to fit, but I just don't know. We better not copy that one by the way!

*'''Native regiments etc'''
I agree that the way to go is have only one page for a regiment and then redirect any alternative names. Then those redirects can go in the appropriate categories. I don't think there will be a perfect way to do this due to the complexities of the regiment histories, so I think what you are doing now is the best way.

*'''Bold titles'''
Yes, I changed that bold title so that it didn't appear in the table of contents. About having it bigger - there is already a big title at the top of the article. A bold statement at the beginning probably draws enough attention the size it is now.

*'''Copyright etc'''
This was the page with the text from another webiste that I wondered if we shouldn't be copying - [[9th Bengal Light Cavalry]]. It seems a bit long and when it is from someone else's website I think it is a bit different to quoting from a book. I am worried they might see it more as copying than quoting. If it was rewritten and then there was a line to say the source was the British Empire website that would probably be ok. I'm just erring on the side of caution.

I have quite a few things to catch up on here on the wiki so better do those before I start anything else but please point out anything to me I have said I would do and forgotten! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:23, 1 April 2009 (PDT)

==Chronological list==
With respect to categories, it can go in the top level of the wars and campaigns and then anywhere else we think it'll be useful, but lets leave it out until its got going a bit. As for changing categories, lets leave that for now as well - there's no rush to change them and lets gt this article sorted out properly first. I'll have a look at how many will be affected in order to know how much work it will be.

You asked shall we mix up battles and campaigns. That is what I was trying to ask your opinion on, but I just worded it very badly! The article should definitely be wars and campaigns. As for including battles, if most individual battles are in the Mutiny then we could leave those ones out (and just have '1857-58 Indian Mutiny' and a link to the category or whatever) and perhaps then include other individual, isolated battles in the list. What do you think?

Yes, I thought some campaigns would spread over 2 sections. I thought doing 2 decade blocks would minimise that as much as possible. I don't really know how to avoid it otherwise - the list needs to be split up somehow or it will be unreadable. Would it seem strange to put such a campaign in both '1860s & 1870s' and '1880s & 1890s' (for instance)? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:13, 3 April 2009 (PDT)

==Replies==
I agree with everything you said about the chronological list - campaigns/wars only for now (I'll change the title, but we can always change it back if needs be - do you think 'Chronological list of wars and campaigns' is ok?) and putting the campaign into the starting decade seems the most sensible solution.

Regarding H.M. regiments, I completely agree with you and it isn't picky. I was just changing the title of a previous article that already employed that convention and so I assumed it was deemed desirable, but if the use of initials has been pointed out before then I'll change this one as it's obviously an anomaly. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 08:15, 5 April 2009 (PDT)

:<strike>I've been tinkering around with some software and have found a way to quickly change lots of articles to be in a different category (ie Category:1st Afghan War 1839-42 to Category:1st Afghan War). Seeing as its so easy, I think it's probably a good idea to do that before we start putting the wars into the chronological list (as we would only have to change the links again afterwards). I'm just going to check with you first though in case there's something I haven't thought of here. If you think it sounds ok, I'll start zipping through them tomorrow.</strike> [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:34, 5 April 2009 (PDT)
::Hang on, I'll strike this out for now as I can't get the software working on this wiki. Will investigate. Carry on as before! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:55, 5 April 2009 (PDT)

==Template use==
Sorry for the delay in this reply - I haven't had a chance to do any work on here for a few days. All looked good to me - I just made a few minor adjustments (section instead of article for instance). I hadn't seen some of those articles. Those sections are very comprehensive aren't they! I particularly liked the Regimental details section of the [[84th Regiment of Foot]] article. Maybe one day we could get around to borrowing that idea for the other regiments! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:52, 14 April 2009 (PDT)

==4th Gurkha Rifles==
I noticed you created a page for the [[4th Gurkhas Rifles]] but that there was already a [[4th Gurkha Rifles]]. I have redirected the new page but copied your more thorough chronology over to the old page. Hope thats ok - if you think the title should be Gurkhas rather than Gurkha, just swap them over, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 14:12, 5 May 2009 (PDT)

==33rd Punjabis==
Well I took the 'no big deal to keep as a redirect' attitude, but if you do think no one will ever search for them under that name, then it is just clutter. Will remove. Thanks for letting me know, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 07:47, 7 May 2009 (PDT)

==12/5/09==
*4th Hussars - well I don't know what happened there! It was blank the two times I tried to load it, but is working today. Rolled back my change. Thanks for pointing out.

*Chronological list - Very good idea about the NWF campaigns. I've got a couple of things I need to finish then I'll set one up. I do think we should remove the dates from the categories now, I need to have another go at getting the method I was working on up and running. Will do so when finished with Apothecaries etc.

Keep up all that good work on the regiments. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:12, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

==Chronological lists==
Just for reference, I have started moving the battles from campaign categories with dates in their titles to ones without. It isn't using the fast method I had hoped, but a slightly faster one than totally manually (a browser plug in that will do find and replaces). Feel free to do any, but no need to make a point of it. I am going through them in the order they appear on the Chronological list. I set up a [[Chronological list of North West Frontier Campaigns]], you can add the articles to that or I will when I get around to it! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 14:59, 13 May 2009 (PDT)

== 1st Belooch Regiment ==

I searched [[1st Belooch Regiment]] on Google and it does come up with some hits (as does 2nd Belooch) so I think this one is a good candidate for a redirect. Unless you disagree, could you do it rather than me as I don't know for sure where it shpuld be redirected to! I don't think the article needs to be in the regiment category as it is just an alternative spelling (rather than an alternative name). [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:44, 15 May 2009 (PDT)
:<strike>Hmm, I suppose it isn't really desirable to have pages with no category. Lets put them [[:Category:Hidden redirects|here]]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:49, 15 May 2009 (PDT)</strike> Forget all that, I confused myself. Most redirects don't need categories. There are lots of them (see Special Pages, List redirects). [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:52, 15 May 2009 (PDT)
::See the tool box on the left (under the search box). There is a special pages link that lists lots of interesting things. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 08:19, 17 May 2009 (PDT)

== Re:Recent edits ==

NWF list not yet quite finished - I was thinking, whilst doing things related to the 2nd Maratha War today, that it might be nice to do the same for some of the wars. I've probably lost my mind though as it takes an age and I have a lot of things to do first. We'll see!

Battles - will make an article entitled Battles to fix matter. I'm not really sure where to put that old list as I agree it shouldn't actually be deleted. I'll think of something. Re Battles category being accessible from the military category - are there any battles that don't form part of any war or campaign?

The other issues - now some of those are what are called double redirects. When you move a page you need to check for them and I thought I picked most of them up, but obviously not. Basically, a redirect page that goes to a redirect page won't carry on to the intended page - if that makes sense. You can check the in-links to any page by clicking What links here in the toolbox. So if you look at the one for [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Baizai_Expedition|Barzai Expd here]] you can see what I mean. The 2 pages listed under Baiz Exp 1849 (a redirect) link to it and one of those is itself a redirect. I'll leave it for a bit so you can see. The reason I am bothering to explain (somewhat clumsily) is that its something to remember when moving pages. I will redirect it to the correct page so it doesn't cause any problems.

Now the reason I added ‘The Baizai Expedition of 1849 saw the Battle of Baizai Territory' was just to keep the Battle of BT in there for google search purposes. If it is a term that really doesn't exist, just take it out. I have only heard of it from the redirect page. I suggest we keep the redirect page for any future reference though as they really don't hurt, take up almost no computer space (as they are empty) and are totally hidden away.

With the other two is the only problem that there are redirects to them with redundant titles? If so, I am in favour of leaving them in case they are titles that people come across in records or old books. As I say, they do no harm. If there is another problem, please re-advise.

Now, a question for you. Have you any idea if [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?search=hyderabad+contingent&go=Go these Hyderabad regiments] are what '''[[94th Regiment of Foot|this article]]''' calls the Hyderabad Subsidiary Force? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:35, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

==Polygar War==
Oh, another thing. In the [[94th Regiment of Foot]] article, which I was adding sections and links to today, it mentions the [[Polygar War]]. Maybe you could add it when you have time? Unless we have it under a different name that is. I very quickly looked it up on wikipedia, but that seems to have had some dubious recent edits, so I recommend this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polygar_War&oldid=270199427 slightly older revision] of that article. Regards, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:43, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

==[[The Mharwara Battalion]]==
Noticed that the article title and the chronology spell the battalion name differently. Does the article need moving? Also, had noticed this (and some other similar articles) are titled '''The''' etc etc. I wonder if they should be moved for consistency? We don't have The 43rd Regiment of Foot, for example. Thoughts? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:04, 20 May 2009 (PDT)
:Moved. Re other matters - Auxiliary Regts, yes there are an awful lot there! Everything will get done one day, I'm sure. Besides, you are doing a sterling job working out all of the Native regiments. I find them very confusing and I'm sure most other people do too, so I think the pages you've been working on are very important. Re chronol. lists - oh yes, listing the actions in each war is a much better idea. I had noticed you had started doing that in places actually. Re pages you have recently put for deletion - I think I am going to keep Jacob's Horse as a redirect as it is quite possible someone will search for that, I agree with the other's though. Scinde horse might be the same case - is there only one reg called that? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:06, 21 May 2009 (PDT)

== Nizam's Army ==

I've created a category called Hyderabad Contingent as I think those regiments shouldn't only appear in the Indian Army Category (and I assume they would be misplaced under Madras Army). We could probably do with some info on what exactly this contingent was at some point, but no rush. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:46, 4 June 2009 (PDT)
:Oh I see, so the Nizam's Regts are ''even more'' confusing than the Madras Regiments (was just doing the checking on your recent changes, I don't know how you're picking your way through those). I only brought this up as I was adding some info to the Secunderabad article and I needed a link to the Hyderabad Contingent (so made a category). I was sort of guessing that the HC was synonymous with the Nizam's Army, but if that is not correct we can amend as necessary. [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vwQHAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0eTwnUwBQlmQrRl&client=firefox-a#PPA237,M1 This] page of the Imperial Gazetteer mentions some stations of the HC.
:As for the naming system you have chosen for the Madras regiments, sounds fine to me. The most important thing surely is picking a system and sticking to it. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 04:54, 5 June 2009 (PDT)

== Tables ==

For a clearer explanation than I can probably give, see [[Help:Tables]]. Obviously get back to me with any questions. I recommend copying [[Help:Tables#cellpadding.3D.2220.22_cellspacing.3D.220.22_border.3D.221.22|this table]]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 03:59, 9 June 2009 (PDT)

== Duar War ==

Could you add [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duar_War this] when you have time? Happened across it. Many thanks [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:15, 9 June 2009 (PDT)

== Replies ==

Just had a look through all the maps and they're looking great. A nice thing about the route marked on terrain view is that you can see the army weaving around the mountains. I just think the map instantly makes the whole thing make more sense. Being able to see where all these battles are in relation to each other makes a big difference.

Enjoy your trip, if that is what you are up to. It will be very quiet on here! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:48, 11 June 2009 (PDT)

==Wars==
Hello Sy. It was bothering me that the pages for the wars (mostly category pages, although some of those are getting so full of info they could be converted to articles) didn't have an infobox like the battle pages. It felt like there was something missing. So I have made a basic one ([[:Template:War|here]] and have put two tests at [[:Category:1st Maratha War]] and [[1st Afghan War]]. Could you have a look and see if there is anything else you can think of that would be useful in such a template? Thank you, [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 16:17, 23 July 2009 (PDT)
:Thanks for your thoughts. If at any time you think of anything to be added to the template, it's never too late. Re your first two points, you are right about the formats. Mine are just wrong as I very quickly put two tests up. As for the links section, well that might not be the best title. The subcategories in the box on the 1st Afghan page are the main use I can think of at the moment. Now, I strongly feel that each war should have it's own article, where the infobox would be and all of the other excellent content you've been adding. Once there is a lot of information on the category page, the listed articles all get a bit hidden away at the bottom. As far as I am concerned, articles are for content, categories are for organisation. Anyway, if the infobox was on an article page the link to the category would make sense, although maybe the link title could be 'All battles and actions' or something like that. Keep going as you are though, I will convert them over when I eventually get some time (still haven't finished taking the dates off those categories yet!)
:A few typos every hundred edits aren't many! Anyway, that is what the checking is for. Tiny mistakes are inevitable and often need a second eye. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:09, 24 July 2009 (PDT)

== Chronologies ==

Right, I think you've lost me. I understood what you said on my talk page and I agree that is probably the clearest way to go about things, but I can't quite follow this Predecessor/Successor business. [[12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] for instance, I can't see how the two fit together. Maybe a little line of explanation is needed at the top of each section.

The other matter is the regiments that mutiny. The chronologies stop at the point of mutiny (which obviously I understand). But how, in reality, are (for instance) [[17th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] and [[2nd Gurkha Rifles]] connected? I am ''guessing'' that once the 17th had mutinied that number was then free to be reassigned in 1861, and so there is no actual connection between the regiments. Is that right? If yes, we need some way of making that clear on the 17th's page. We could go with the wikipedia-style method of a little disambiguation line in italics at the top saying 'For the post-1861 regiment of this name, see the 2nd Gurkha Rifles'. It worries me that it's too confusing otherwise.

I see you are getting in a lot of edits before your holiday! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:08, 31 July 2009 (PDT)

== Affghanistan! ==

Do you know, I did wonder for a minute if that was how it should be spelt in that particular case! I thought though it must be a typo as none of the other Afghanistan Battle Honours had the double f. I meant to put "typo, I think" in my edit summary. I absolutely agree that the spellings as they are on the BHs should be used. I'll reverse my 'correction'. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:25, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

== Oude Campaign ==

I see you are bravely sorting out the Mutiny battles! We now seem to have two things listed as the Oude campaign ([[:Category:Oude Campaign]] and [[1st_Bengal_(European)_Fusiliers#Service_in_British_India|the one listed here]]). Is that second, earlier one correct? If so, we will need to distinguish between these two somehow. Ideas? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:17, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

== Madras NI ==

Re a couple of recent edits to:
*[[43rd Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]
*[[44th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]
*[[45th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]

Are those italicised notes correct? Obv I do not know, just checking as regiments are MNI and the notes are concerning the BNI. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:39, 14 September 2009 (PDT)

==Image template==
'''[[Template:ImageOL]] or shortcut [[imageol]]'''

I gave it the stupidly difficult to remember title 'Image Origin and License'. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:42, 30 September 2009 (PDT)

==Another template==
Oh, in case this is ever of use to you, I copied a template from wikipedia that allows the table of contents to be right-aligned (useful when it has got very long). I have used it on [[Apothecary]]. You can find it at [[Template:TOC right]]. It probably isn't right for things with an infobox though. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:48, 30 September 2009 (PDT)

== Jheeghun ==

Sy, the easting co-ords for [[Battle of Jheeghun]] are missing. I couldn't pinpoint Jhinjhan to fix it myself, sorry [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:29, 5 October 2009 (PDT)

== Amristar photos ==

Nice uploads. Re the license, it's a little bit unclear what you mean. Perhaps change to something like ''external use with author's permission only'' (if that is what you mean) or maybe you might like [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ this license]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:07, 14 October 2009 (PDT)

:License - I'll get back to you about this as I want to check exactly what our policy is supposed to be.

:Massacres - I think if it isn't considered a battle it shouldn't go in that category. The Indian Mutiny events you raise are a good point. Bibigarh and possibly Delhi are not really actions between two armed forces - they can just be in the Indian Mutiny category alone. Not sure about Trimmoo Ghaut. Although an annihilation, if there is fighting involved between recognised parts of the armed forces then perhaps it is a battle? It's fine to have articles on the Mutiny that aren't in the Battles category. So the Massacre at Ajnala article you have written doesn't need to go down as a battle too, just a part of the Indian Mutiny. I don't think we need anything additional, but if you prefer we could always just have Events during the Indian Mutiny or something nonspecific like that.

:Mutinies - yes, I noticed them and did think maybe a new category was needed. You are right they would be strange in the Mutinies category but we can put whatever category we make into Mutinies as well as Indian Mutiny. Btw, it's ok to use the battle infobox on anything you think appropriate as it doesn't specifically mention 'battle' anywhere on the box. Well, we can't call the category Indian Mutiny Mutinies...how about something like 1857 Bengal Army Mutinies? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:38, 14 October 2009 (PDT)

== Battle maps ==

Yes, I can change that link. What do you think is best? A link to [[Maps]] (with a better explanation)? A link to [[:Category:Campaigns with FIBIS Battle Maps]] (with a bit of explanation added)? Or we can make a whole new intermediary page. Also, I'm not sure I quite catch your drift but are you saying you want to change the name from Battlemaps to something else? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:46, 15 October 2009 (PDT)

:I actually think you are right and that maybe we should change the name to Campaign maps (even though its less catchy!) as really that is more self-explanatory too. That will involve making a couple of changes to the template (not a problem) and then changing the categories. If you are sure about that then say the word and I'll do the template.

:As for renaming the Battles category Battles and Actions, I do agree it is a more accurate title, but I note there are 650 articles in the category... [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:58, 18 October 2009 (PDT)

== Tibet ==
*The internal link change I have made affects a recent edit by Maureen Evers - I didn't want you to think I was changing yours! :-)
[[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 19:52, 21 November 2009 (PST)
* Sy-If you would prefer to have Allen's book under the standard heading Recommended reading, I'm sure a review from the Independent would support it being "Recommended" [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 13:53, 12 December 2009 (PST)

==Black Mountain Expedition 1891==
Perhaps you could also add the alternative spelling Izazai in brackets after Isazai Field Force as both spellings seem to be used. Then if you serached either name, a link would come up.[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:14, 13 December 2009 (PST)

== Biographies ==

Just wanted to say I like the new biographies sections. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:13, 5 January 2010 (PST)
:Yes, I think they would be nice on the main war page too. As for Wellington's dispatches, I would always err on the side of a book not being digitized yet if you expect it to have been published. I don't know how the digitization projects happen or work but I'm sure there is scope for some haphazard or seemingly random selections. Anyway, I found [http://www.archive.org/details/dispatchesoffiel10welluoft Vol X] on archive.org and it says Vols 1-3 are India. So it does exist. Going to search for it some more. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:30, 6 January 2010 (PST)
::Forgive me if this was ''not'' what you were actually looking for, but I found two copies of Vol 3, one not even labelled as such [http://www.archive.org/details/dispatchesfield00wellgoog here] and another that is patchily scanned [http://www.archive.org/details/dispatchesoffiel03welluoft here]. I got a bit sidetracked reading Wellington quips on wikiquote along the way! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:54, 6 January 2010 (PST)

== 3rd LDs ==

Please see [[Talk:3rd Light Dragoons]] [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:00, 7 January 2010 (PST)

== Battle Of Arnee==

Hi Sy - I Was looking at Battle Of Arnee page and consider date should be June 1782 - Eyre Coote died in April 1783. Also wikipedia link to his name in Battle box doesn't open onto his specific page. [[User:Lee|Beverly]] 8 jan

== Bengal Regiments ==

Before I do anything else, spreadsheet? If you've emailed it to me I haven't got it. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 16:06, 11 January 2010 (PST)

== Historical Books==
Hi Sy - "Campaigns of the North West Frontier" by Nevill is shown as recommended reading in places . As this text appears available at archive.org, I am thinking the entries could be moved to "Historical Books " online. I assume it is the same book - although date is different and wording is "on" and not "of" ...? [[User: Lee|Beverly]]12 Jan
==22nd Light Dragoons==
Hi Sy I was looking at the external link on the 22nd light Dragoons page, and it appears to be for the 22nd Rgiment of Foot, not for the Light Dragoons. Cheers [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:11, 13 January 2010 (PST)

== Bengal Regts ==

Sy, further to my email - in case you are unaware, we have a list with links to almost all copies of the [[Asiatic Journal]]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:50, 13 January 2010 (PST)

== Bengal topics ==

Sy, I have made a little template to tie Bengal Army topics together and make navigation smoother. Suggestions for additions welcome. I have added it to all the regiments you have recently edited, but would you be able to add it in as you access further relevant pages? It is just a very simple addition of <nowiki>{{Template:Bengal Army}}</nowiki> to the top of each page. Many thanks. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 13:05, 15 January 2010 (PST)
:Thanks. Yes, I was thinking some sort of table might be needed. Anyway we have a precedent in [[101st - 109th Regiments of Foot - Lineage]]. I think the format you suggest will work, if I understand what you have said. Will the table you have in mind be okay for multiple battalions? I am picturing that a person will be able to say "My ancestor was in the 18th Regiment in 1789", look at the line for regiments called 18th and in the column with the date nearest to 1789 see that this was the 12th Reg in 1824 (and then click through to see the 12th Reg's page). Is that what you mean? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:22, 16 January 2010 (PST)

== Gordon Highlanders ==

Maureen has asked why we have the content for the [[92nd Regiment of Foot]] redirected to the [[100th Regiment of Foot]] (which they were only called for 4 years). Do we have a particular naming convention that has caused this? If not, I suggest reversing the redirect. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 06:06, 18 January 2010 (PST)

==Military online autobiographies==
Hi Sy This is a copy of a post to Sarah:Can you suggest a page for military autobiographies where they seem to have changed regiments a lot, so you can’t put them on the Regiments page, I can't work what war or battle to place them in, but the book seems to contain content of interest. Would a section on the bottom of [[Chronological list of Wars and Campaigns]] be satisfactory?<br>
Eg
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=jIUEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PP7 Memoirs of the early life and service of a field officer on the retired list of the Indian army]by Major David Price 1839 Google Books (service from 1780)
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=sUjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR3 Military reminiscences: extracted from a journal of nearly forty years' active service in the East Indies Volume 1] by James Welsh of the Madras Establishment 1830 [http://books.google.com/books?id=8UjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PP13 Volume 2] (Service from 1790)
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/fortyoneyearsin00unkngoog#page/n100/mode/1up Forty One Years in India: From subaltern to commander-in-chief Volume 1] by Field Marshal Lord Roberts of Kandahar 1897 Chapter 6 onwards. Archive.org (I did put this one under Indian Mutiny) [http://www.archive.org/stream/fortyoneyearsin02robegoog#page/n11/mode/1up Volume 2] 1898 Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:55, 18 January 2010 (PST)

Hi Sy I added another comment on Sarah's talk page. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 23:13, 20 January 2010 (PST)

==Bengal regiments again==
This is ''incredibly'' confusing. Thank you for sticking with it. Ok, I think the table will be fine as long as we add a good explanation. I think when finished it will actually help a lot to make sense of these regiments. I find the fact it starts with a name a bit confusing, but I suppose it has to be that way. We could always use a bit of colour to highlight certain important number changes, if needs be. I am going to fill in a test version of the 1st Battalion on the talk page in a minute to check I understand how it works.

On the other matter, I think it might be less confusing all round if we make a new page for those regiments such as the original 19th. That has the added bonus of there being a page for the table to link to. The new table will be able to field people in the right directions so I don't think we need to worry about making a note on the actual 19th Reg page. We will link the table from all the pages. I suggest calling the page the [[19th Battalion of Bengal Native Infantry]] rather than a name such as [[19th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry (1764)]]. What do you think? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 06:44, 19 January 2010 (PST)
:I actually quite liked the 'boxed panel' but I think it gave undue prominence to the former regiment's chronology, therefore confusing the real focus of the page. Re the page as it looks with all 74 regts - crikey, it'll probably be a bit overwhelming at first glance, but I actually think it makes perfect sense. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:35, 19 January 2010 (PST)

==Broken Links ==
Hi Sy – On page Battle of Jugdulluk Crest 1841 the link to Somerset Record Office is broken. I cannot find to where it should be redirected. Is it your original link ? Any ideas? --[[User:Lee|Lee]] 01:29, 21 January 2010 (PST)

==Bengal Infantry Table==
I'll keep my eye out for another list of regiments. The table is looking good but I don't know how you're managing not to tie yourself in knots. Just wait until you're happy with it before going 'live' and let me know if you want me to help with anything. What ever you are doing, enjoy your well earned break from the Bengal regiments! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:48, 21 January 2010 (PST)

===Further to===
I wonder if we should rename the table along the lines of Bengal Infantry Regiment Numbers or Bengal Infantry Regiment Finder? I am tempted by the 'finder' option myself, emphasizing it is a tool. What do you think? I will also add the table to the Bengal Army template (once name finalised). Well done for getting so far with it. I made a few minor changes to the intro and am about to test out a column highlight. The history of changes in the Bengal Infantry article is also a really good addition. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:47, 25 February 2010 (PST)
:What do you think of the highlighting? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:57, 25 February 2010 (PST)

===Columns===
I put the 4 short tables into columns as you suggested. I am not really sure about it though. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:38, 1 March 2010 (PST)
:Have removed. The other problem was only that you forgot to 'close' the table with a |} [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 13:26, 2 March 2010 (PST)

== Bengal regiments... ==

I quite understand losing the will to live over this. Well done for basically finishing it. I've done a few spot checks. Of those, am querying:
*should the column titled 1795 actually be 1796?
*1781 - 5th Regt
*1775 - 6th Btn

Didn't spot any other problems. Also, have we got an explanation of Purgunnah anywhere? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:39, 15 March 2010 (PDT)

== Macau Exp ==

Sy, when you get a minute could you please categorize this: [[Macau Expedition 1809]]. I expect it needs to be moved to an undated title, but have not done so myself in case there is another such expedition to confuse it with. Thanks, [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:02, 25 March 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks. I wasn't really sure what criteria has been used to decide what is a minor campaign. Anyway, this has reminded me I never did finish removing all those dates from the war titles... [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 15:04, 25 March 2010 (PDT)

== Formatting ==

You may be interested in the following formatting technique (which I have managed to not learn until today). [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 13:52, 17 April 2010 (PDT)

<pre>'''British forces'''
*300 infantry
</pre>
producing:

'''British forces'''
*300 infantry

can be quicker achieved by typing:
<pre>;British forces
*300 infantry</pre>

== Trichy image ==

[[:Image:Trichinopoly 1753.jpg]]. Regards, [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:27, 11 May 2010 (PDT)

== Google Map linked to [[Invasion of the HEIC Army]] ==

Hi Sy. Doing some patrolling and thought I would follow the Invasion on the Google map - terrific stuff. Can I just comment that I thought the colour (slamon) chosen for Willshire's expedition confusing because of its close proximity to Lewis's route which is marked out in the same coour. Maybe better to swap to a different colour? Just my tuppence worth - [[User:HughWilding|Hugh]] 11:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Digital Library of India website==
Hi Sy
[[Online books#Digital Library of India]] has a section which could perhaps be expanded a bit.

Go to the Digital Library of India site.
Search for the book History of the Indian Mutiny by Ball. I could only find Volume 2
Click Book Reader 1, and if you have not already done so, download the Alternatiff plug in which you see on the screen. Then make sure you can see the bottom of the screen which has the arrows and the page numbers. If you can’t see it, there are two scrolling devices on the side of the screen, and you will need to scroll the bottom one until you can see the arrows etc. Click over the page number shown to delete it, and type 101 in the space, and press enter on your computer. This should bring you to computer page 101, or actual page 92. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 12:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sy I looked up the FAQ on the Alternatiff site, and unfortunately it said it doessn't work for Mac users (I have Internet Explorer).
There is a Book Reader 2, which doesn't work for me, but perhaps this one may work for you. If that doesn't work,and Sarah doesn't kmow, maybe you could ask the India List if anyone knows. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 14:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC) PS It sounds as though you can at least read the text, what you are looking for is a way to select the page you require. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 21:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sy I have found some links about plug-ins for Mac users which I have added to [[Online books#Digital Library of India]] Regards
[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 06:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

==[[Taku Forts]]==
Hi Sy [[Battle of Taku Fort 1858]], [[Battle of Taku Fort 1859]] but [[Battle of Taku Forts 1860]]. For consistency, should the first two be Battle of Taku Forts, (plural) ? Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 11:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Naval matters ==

In case you are not aware of its existence, this could be used for some of the articles you are currently working on: [[:Category:Naval and Maritime]] Regards, [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 19:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Internal/external links ==

OK, I am asking the question but Sarah is away until the weekend. FWIW my feeling is that the Location Infobox is the break-out point for this precise purpose which is quite different from that of the Location field in the Battle Infobox. BTW I looked for the discussion you had with Sarah but couldn't find it - can you point me in the right direction? Thanks. [[User:HughWilding|Hugh]] 10:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Events at Lucknow

2010-07-11T00:34:36Z

HughWilding: Correct publication year

This article is part of the events in the '''[[Indian Mutiny]]'''

== Summary ==
[[Lucknow]] was one of the major centres of the [[Indian Mutiny]]. Sir Henry Lawrence became Chief Commissioner of the Province of [[Oudh]] (Awadh) on March 20th 1857. The garrison at the time consisted of HM [[32nd Regiment of Foot]], the [[7th Bengal Lancers|7th Native Cavalry]], the [[13th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]], the [[48th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] and the [[71st Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]], with Indian soldiers outnumbering Europeans 10 to 1. Unrest was evident in the city for several months and when the mutiny reached the province, Lawrence fortified the Residency at Lucknow and took the British inhabitants into the compound. The rebellion broke out on the 30th May and a 87 day siege of the Residency ensued, with Lawrence killed in the first few days.

Forces led by Sir Henry Havelock (see [[Havelock's Campaign]] and Sir James Outram reached Lucknow in September (the [[First Lucknow Relief]]). After taking the [[Alambagh]], this became the headquarters for subsequent actions at Lucknow. Under heavy assault from the rebels, they were unable to evacuate the Residency as intended and instead bolstered the garrison there, a second siege ensuing for six weeks. The [[Second Lucknow Relief]] came in November when Sir Colin Campbell reached Lucknow. On the 16th November, 2000 rebel [[sepoy]]s besieged at the Secundrabagh villa were massacred when the [[93rd Regiment of Foot|93rd Highlanders]] and the [[4th Regiment of Infantry, Punjab Frontier Force|4th Punjabi Infantry]] took the estate. Campbell managed to evacuate the besieged Europeans at the Residency, but Havelock died before he was able to leave the city. Outram stayed and defended Lucknow until the following March, when Campbell retook the city. During this action Major Hodson (Commander of [[Hodson's Horse]]) was killed and buried in the grounds of La Martiniere College.

==Related articles ==
For details of actions during this period see the following articles
{|
|1 May 1857
|[[Mutiny at Lucknow]]
|-
|30 June 1857
|[[Battle of Chinhut]]
|-
|1 July 1857
|Start of the [[First Siege of Lucknow]]
|-
|23 September 1857
|[[Battle of Alambagh (Lucknow) Sept 1857|Battle of Alambagh]]
|-
|25 September 1857
|[[First Lucknow Relief]]
|-
|12 November 1857
|[[Battle of Alambagh (Lucknow) Nov 1857|Battle of Alambagh]]
|-
|14 November 1857
|[[Actions at Dilkusha and Martiniere]]
|-
|16 November 1857
|[[Battle of Secundra Bagh (Lucknow)|Battle of Secundra Bagh]]
|-
|17 November 1857
|[[Second Lucknow Relief]]
|-
|27 Nov 1857-10 Mar 1858
|[[Defence of Alambagh (Lucknow)|Defence of Alambagh]]
|-
|22 December 1857
|[[Battle of Gailee by Lucknow]]
|-
|9 March 1858
|[[Battle of La Martinière]]
|-
|11 March 1858
|[[Battle of Begum Kothi (Lucknow)|Battle of Begum Kothi]]
|-
|14 March 1858
|[[Battle of Imambara]]
|-
|19 March 1858
|[[Battle of Moosa Bagh (Lucknow)|Battle of Moosa Bagh]]
|-
|21 March 1858
|[[Recapture of Lucknow]]
|}

== Biographies ==
Entries in the Dictionary of Indian Biography 1906:<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/86/mode/1up/search Colin Campbell (1792-1863)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/195/mode/1up Henry Havelock (1795-1857)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/216/mode/2up John Inglis (1814-1862)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/246/mode/1up Henry Lawrence (1806-1857)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/255/mode/1up Edward Lugard (1810-1898)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/311/mode/1up/ Nana Sahib (1820?-1859?)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/314/mode/1up James Neill (1810-1857)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/325/mode/1up James Outram (1803-1863)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/414/mode/1up Tantya Tope (1819-1859)]<br>

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm Indian Mutiny 1857-58] www.britishempire.co.uk<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lucknow Siege of Lucknow] Wikipedia<br>

==== Historical books on-line ====
'' List of inscriptions on Christian tombs and tablets of historical interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh'' by E A H Blunt ICS 1911 [http://www.archive.org/stream/listofinscriptio00blunuoft#page/216/mode/2up Chronology of events and names on monuments of European casualties] archive.org

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny: 1857'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372 ; (Penguin, 2003), ISBN 0141005548<br>

[[Category:Events at Lucknow| Events at Lucknow]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny| Events at Lucknow]]

Battle of Kallah Nuddee

2010-07-11T00:32:15Z

HughWilding: Bibliographic detail

{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[:Category:Indian Mutiny|Indian Mutiny]]
|date=2 January 1858
|location=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khudaganj Khudaganj], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatehgarhr Fatehgarh], Uttar Pradesh
|presidency=[[Bengal]]
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=27.187496,79.670629&z=12&t=h&hl=en 27.187496°N 79.670629°E]
|result=British victory
|territory=
|combatant1=[[East India Company]]
|combatant2=Rebel Sepoys
|commander1=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Campbell%2C_1st_Baron_Clyde Sir Colin Campbell]
|commander2=Nawab of Farrukhabad
|strength1=
|strength2=
|casualties1=
|casualties2=
}}
'''This article is part of the [[Oude Campaign]] during the [[Indian Mutiny]]'''<br>
Also known as the '''Battle of Khudagunge (Khoodaganj/Khudaganj)'''

== Spelling Variants ==
Modern name:Kali Nadi<br>
Variants: Kallah Nuddee/Kallee Nuddee/Kali Naddi<br>

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm Indian Mutiny 1857-58] The British Empire<br>
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101004489/ Sir Colin Campbell] Dictionary of National Biography<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=09M1AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1179&dq=Kallee%20Nuddee&as_brr=1&ei=CChuSJCtD4_aigGI04HmAw#PPA1179,M1 Campbell's Despatch] Google Books<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ixYT7BXYqAwC&printsec=frontcover#PPA162,M1 Sgt Forbes-Mitchell's account] Google Books<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A7XMfkemThoC&pg=PA59&dq=The+Shannon's+brigade+in+India:+The+whole+force+got+under+weigh&hl=en&ei=5Hg4TPaZKcSclgf91NXVBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Shannon's Naval Brigade in action] Google Books<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qNCSqs1sdyQC&pg=PA212&dq=Kalli+Naddi&as_brr=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false Frederick Roberts Account] Google Books

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny: 1857'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372 ; (Penguin, 2003), ISBN 0141005548

[[Category:Battles|Kallah Nuddee, Battle of]]
[[Category:Oude Campaign|Kallah Nuddee, Battle of]]
[[Category:Shannon's Naval Brigade|Kallah Nuddee, Battle of]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny|Kallah Nuddee, Battle of]]

Events at Cawnpore

2010-07-11T00:30:13Z

HughWilding: Correct publication year

This article is part of the events in the '''[[Indian Mutiny]]'''

==Related articles ==
{|
|7 June 1857
|Start of the [[Siege of Cawnpore June 1857|Siege of Cawnpore]]
|-
|27 June 1857
|[[Cawnpore (Satichaura Ghat)|Massacre at Satichaura Ghat]]
|-
|16 July 1857
|[[Cawnpore (Bibigarh)|Massacre at Bibigarh]]
|-
|17 July 1857
|[[Recapture of Cawnpore July 1857|Recapture of Cawnpore]]
|-
|19 November-6 December 1857
|[[Siege of Cawnpore Nov 1857|Second Siege of Cawnpore]]
|}

== Biographies ==
Entries in the Dictionary of Indian Biography 1906:<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/4/mode/1up John Adye (1819-1900)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/195/mode/1up Henry Havelock (1795-1857)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/311/mode/1up/ Nana Sahib (1820?-1859?)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/414/mode/1up Tantya Tope (1819-59)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/448/mode/1up/search/Wheeler Maj-Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler] (1789-1857)]<br>

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm Indian Mutiny 1857-58] www.britishempire.co.uk<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cawnpore Siege of Cawnpore] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur_Memorial_Church Kanpur Memorial Church] Wikipedia<br>
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101029186/ Maj Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler] ODNB

==== Historical books on-line ====
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2hzQJmZ-UYcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Story+of+Cawnpore&hl=en&ei=p5kfTOWiEcqG4gbOir22Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false ''The Story of Cawnpore''] by Capt Mowbray Thomson 1859 (Google Books)<br>
'' List of inscriptions on Christian tombs and tablets of historical interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh'' by E A H Blunt ICS 1911 [http://www.archive.org/stream/listofinscriptio00blunuoft#page/106/mode/2up Description of the uprising and names on monuments of European victims] archive.org

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny: 1857'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372 ; (Penguin, 2003), ISBN 0141005548

Andrew Ward, ''Our Bones are Scattered: the Cawnpore Massacres and the Indian Mutiny of 1857'' (McArthur & Co, 1996), ISBN 0719564107

[[Category:Events at Cawnpore| Events at Cawnpore]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny| Events at Cawnpore]]

Siege of Cawnpore Nov 1857

2010-07-11T00:29:45Z

HughWilding: Bibliographic detail

{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[Indian Mutiny]]
|date=19 November - 6 December 1857
|location=[[Cawnpore]], Uttar Pradesh
|presidency=[[Bengal]]
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=26.470875,80.371898&z=14&t=h&hl=en 26.470876°N 80.371896°E]
|result=British victory
|territory=
|combatant1=[[East India Company]]
|combatant2=Rebel Sepoys
|commander1=[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101029722/ Maj Gen Charles Windham]<br>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Campbell%2C_1st_Baron_Clyde Sir Colin Campbell]
|commander2=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatya_Tope Tantya Tope]
|strength1=
|strength2=
|casualties1=
|casualties2=
}}
'''This article is part of the [[Events at Cawnpore]] and the [[Oude Campaign]] during the [[Indian Mutiny]]'''

== Synopsis ==
After Havelock recaptured Cawnpore in July 1857 he set out to relieve the Siege of Lucknow where he too became besieged. General Colin Campbell gathered a larger force and left General Windham with 1,500 men to hold Cawnpore. On 19 November Tantya Tope brought a rebel army of 6,000 men to threaten the city. Windham attacked the advance guard on 26 November and drove them back but withdrew to an entrenchment and the rebels occupied Cawnpore. General Campbell returned from Lucknow and on 6 December defeated the rebel forces.

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm Indian Mutiny 1857-58] www.britishempire.co.uk<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Cawnpore 2nd Battle of Cawnpore] Wikipedia<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A7XMfkemThoC&pg=PA35&dq=The+Shannon's+brigade+in+India:+The+whole+force+got+under+weigh&hl=en&ei=5Hg4TPaZKcSclgf91NXVBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Shannaon's Naval Brigade at Cawnpore] Google Books<br>
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101004489/ Sir Colin Campbell] Dictionary of National Biography<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh] Wikipedia

==== Historical Books on-line ====
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xIJCAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false ''The Defence of Cawnpore by the troops under the orders of Major General Charles A. Windham CB''] by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Miller_Adye Lt-Col John Adye CB] 1858 (Google Books)

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372; (London: Penguin, 2003), ISBN 0141005548

William Howard Russell, ''My Indian Mutiny Diary'' (Cassell & Co, 1957), ISBN 0527781207

Andrew Ward, ''Our Bones are Scattered: the Cawnpore Massacres and the Indian Mutiny of 1857'' (McArthur & Co, 1996), ISBN 0719564107
[[Category:Battles|Cawnpore, 2nd Siege of]]
[[Category:Oude Campaign|Cawnpore, 2nd Siege of]]
[[Category:Shannon's Naval Brigade|Cawnpore, 2nd Siege of]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny|Cawnpore, 2nd Siege of]]

Events at Cawnpore

2010-07-11T00:01:28Z

HughWilding: stray >

This article is part of the events in the '''[[Indian Mutiny]]'''

==Related articles ==
{|
|7 June 1857
|Start of the [[Siege of Cawnpore June 1857|Siege of Cawnpore]]
|-
|27 June 1857
|[[Cawnpore (Satichaura Ghat)|Massacre at Satichaura Ghat]]
|-
|16 July 1857
|[[Cawnpore (Bibigarh)|Massacre at Bibigarh]]
|-
|17 July 1857
|[[Recapture of Cawnpore July 1857|Recapture of Cawnpore]]
|-
|19 November-6 December 1857
|[[Siege of Cawnpore Nov 1857|Second Siege of Cawnpore]]
|}

== Biographies ==
Entries in the Dictionary of Indian Biography 1906:<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/4/mode/1up John Adye (1819-1900)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/195/mode/1up Henry Havelock (1795-1857)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/311/mode/1up/ Nana Sahib (1820?-1859?)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/414/mode/1up Tantya Tope (1819-59)]<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/448/mode/1up/search/Wheeler Maj-Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler] (1789-1857)]<br>

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm Indian Mutiny 1857-58] www.britishempire.co.uk<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cawnpore Siege of Cawnpore] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur_Memorial_Church Kanpur Memorial Church] Wikipedia<br>
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101029186/ Maj Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler] ODNB

==== Historical books on-line ====
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2hzQJmZ-UYcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Story+of+Cawnpore&hl=en&ei=p5kfTOWiEcqG4gbOir22Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false ''The Story of Cawnpore''] by Capt Mowbray Thomson 1859 (Google Books)<br>
'' List of inscriptions on Christian tombs and tablets of historical interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh'' by E A H Blunt ICS 1911 [http://www.archive.org/stream/listofinscriptio00blunuoft#page/106/mode/2up Description of the uprising and names on monuments of European victims] archive.org

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny: 1857'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372 ; (Penguin, 2002), ISBN 0141005548

Andrew Ward, ''Our Bones are Scattered: the Cawnpore Massacres and the Indian Mutiny of 1857'' (McArthur & Co, 1996), ISBN 0719564107

[[Category:Events at Cawnpore| Events at Cawnpore]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny| Events at Cawnpore]]

Great Indian Peninsula Railway

2010-06-20T07:48:54Z

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{{Line Railways Infobox
|image= GIPR Bombay-Poona Mail.jpg
|caption= ''The Bombay-Poona Mail in full flight about 1910''
|route= [[Bombay]] to [[Raichur]] (SE Division}<br>[[Bombay]] to [[Jubbulpore]] (NE Division))<br>[[Bhusawal]] to [[Delhi]]<br>[[Bhusawal]] to [[Nagpur]]
|gauge1= Broad gauge
|gauge1details= 1562 miles (1905)
|gauge2=
|gauge2details=
|gauge3=
|gauge3details=
|gauge4=
|gauge4details=
|timeline1date= 1845
|timeline1details= Company formed
|timeline2date= 1853
|timeline2details= First section of line open to traffic
|timeline3date= 1871
|timeline3details= Through trains to [[Calcutta]] ''via'' [[Jubbulpore]]
|timeline4date=
|timeline4details= [[Dhond-Manmad State Railway]] absorbed
|timeline5date= 1900
|timeline5details= Line acquired by State
|presidency= [[Bombay]]
|stations= [[Kalyan]], [[Poona]], [[Hotgi]], [[Wadi]], [[Ahmadnagar]], [[Akola]], [[Chanda]], [[Khandwa]], [[Itarsi]], [[Narsinghpur]]
|system1date=
|system1details= Worked by Great Indian Peninsula Railway
|system2date=
|system2details=
|system3date=
|system3details=
|auxillary forces=
}}

{{System_Railways_Infobox
|image= Great Indian Peninsula Railway.jpg
|caption= ''Great Indian Peninsula Railway device''
|timeline1date= 1900
|timeline1details= Company re-formed to work State line
|timeline2date=
|timeline2details=
|timeline3date=
|timeline3details=
|timeline4date= 1925
|timeline4details= Government takes over working of system
|timeline5date=
|timeline5details=
|company1=
|company1details= [[Great Indian Peninsula Railway]]
|company2=
|company2details= [[Agra-Delhi Chord Railway]]
|company3=
|company3details= [[Bhopal-Itarsi Railway]]
|company4=
|company4details= [[Bhopal-Ujjain Railway]]
|company5=
|company5details= [[Bina-Goona-Baran Railway]]
|company6=
|company6details= [[Gwalior Light Railway]]
|company7= 1900
|company7details= [[Indian Midland Railway]]
|company8=
|company8details=
|company9=
|company9details=
|company10=
|company10details=
|company11=
|company11details=
|company12=
|company12details=
|headquarters= [[Bombay]]
|workshop= [[Parel]]
|stations= [[Agra]], [[Ahmadnagar]], [[Akola]], [[Amraoti]], [[Banda]], [[Bhopal]], [[Bhusawal]], [[Cawnpore]], [[Chanda]], [[Delhi]], [[Dholpur]], [[Gwalior]], [[Hotgi]], [[Itarsi]], [[Jhansi]], [[Jubbulpore]], [[Khandwa]], [[Muttra]], [[Nagpur]], [[Narsinghpue]], [[Poona]], [[Raichur]], [[Saugor]], [[Wadi]]
|system1date= 1951
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|system2date=
|system2details=
|system3date=
|system3details=
|gauge1= Broad gauge
|gauge1details= 2988 miles (1905)<br>3363 miles (1943)
|gauge2= 2' 0" NG
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|gauge3=
|gauge3details=
|gauge4=
|gauge4details=
|auxillary forces= [[Great Indian Peninsula Railway Regiment]]
}}

Like most of the early railways in India, the '''Great Indian Peninsula Railway''' (GIPR) was a British company, registered in London, privately owned and financed, operating under licence and guarantee from the (British) Board of Control in India and the [[East India Company]] (EIC).

== History ==

Formed in 1845, it was not until 1849 (at the urging of the then Governor, Lord Dalhousie) that the EIC sanctioned the GIPR to construct an experimental line, built to the broad gauge of 5' 6", eastward from Bombay. The first sod was turned on 31 October 1850 and the first locomotive was used in construction on 22 December 1851, but the first passenger train in India did not run until 16 April 1853, when a train, with 14 railway carriages and 400 guests, left [[Bombay]] bound for [[Thane]], hauled by three locomotives: ''Sindh, Sultan,'' and ''Sahib''. The 21 mile journey took an hour and fifteen minutes over the first section of the GIPR to be opened.

By 1859, GIPR was tasked with "the construction and working of the following lines, all of which terminate at Bombay, - viz. from Bombay, ''via'' Callian, to Jubbulpore, to meet the East Indian Railway Company's line from Allahabad, with branches to Mahim and Nagpore - 870 miles; and from Callian, ''via'' Poonah and Sholapore, to the opposite side of the river Kristna, to meet the line, ''via'' Bellary, from Madras - 366 miles - total, 1,236 miles. Capital 10,000,000''l''l. Rate of Interest Guaranteed - 5 per cent. on 8,000,000''l''. capital, and 4½ per cent. on 333,000''l''. debentures, the balance to be raised upon arrangements to be hereafter made."<ref>"Money Market and City Intelligence", ''The Times'', Wednesday, 15 June 1859, #23333, 7a.</ref>

[[Image:India-rail-1870.jpg|left|thumb|Map of GIPR in 1870]]

When, in 1871, the GIPR eventually reached [[Jubbulpore]] and linked to the [[East Indian Railway]] (EIR), it completed Dalhousie’s dream of a Bombay-Calcutta route.

On 30 June 1900, the assets of the GIPR were purchased by the GoI and merged with those of the [[Indian Midland Railway]] into a "new" GIPR, managed by the old company.

On 1 July 1925, the GoI took over direct control of the GIPR and transferred the [[Allahabad]] to [[Jubbulpore]] branch of the [[East Indian Railway|EIR]] to the GIPR.

In 1951, the GIPR combined with the [[Nizam's Guaranteed State Railway]], the [[Dholpur State Railway]] and the [[Scindia State Railway]] to become [[Central Railway]], a zone of [[Indian Railways]].

The principal economic benefit of the GIPR was the opening up of the interior to external trade. The two lines up the Western Ghats were fully open by 1865 in time for cotton from the Deccan to be exported from Bombay to Manchester thus filling the trade gap created by the American Civil War.

==Construction==
===The Western Ghats===
The narrow coastal plain of India's west side is separated from the Deccan plateau by a mountain range which rises 1200m (3,900 ft) and which has always restricted internal communication with the Arabian Sea.

====Bhore Ghat Incline - between Kalyan and Poona====

The GIPR south-eastern route towards Madras.

Incline length: 15 miles, tunnels: 26 (totalling 2.25 miles in length),and 8 viaducts of masonry construction.

[[Civil Engineers]] included:

GIPR Chief Engineer 1849 - 1862: '''James James Berkley''' (surveyor and route designer).

Consultant engineer 1847 - 1867: '''Arthur Anderson West''' (surveyor of the Bhore Gate Incline).<ref>[http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/docserver/fulltext/imotp.1913.17480.pdf "Obituary of Arthur Anderson West MICE"] p 363</ref>

GIPR Engineers: Messrs Adamson and Clowser, replaced by Messrs West and Tate in November 1859.

'''Construction Contractors'''

The contract was awarded (autumn 1855) to '''William Frederick Faviell''' and work begun at Bhore Ghat on 24 January 1856. In March 1859, Faviell gave up his contract; for a short time, two GIPR engineers, '''Swainson Adamson''' and '''George Louis Clowser''', carried on the work.

The GIPR construction contract was relet in November 1859 to Solomon Tredwell who died within fifteen days of landing in India. His wife, Alice Tredwell, assumed the contract and appointed Messrs Adamson and Clowser to manage the contract for her in her absence, as Mrs Tredwell returned to England. This arrangement was to last seven years.

“These gentlemen (Adamson and Clowser) carried on the work with the greatest zeal and ability.” Labour management could limit construction progress, but “by their good and liberal management (Adamson and Clowser) collected and kept on the work a force of 25,000 men during two seasons, and in 1861 of more than 42,000 men.”<ref>[http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/pdf/gazeetter_reprint/Thane-I/trade_roads.html#5 Railways] Thana District Gazetteer</ref>

====Thul Ghat incline - between Kalyan and Nasik====

The GIPR north-eastern route towards the Gangetic plain.

===Stations===
Bombay's Victoria Terminus was both the principal station and GIPR's HQ; designed by [[architect]] Frederick William Stevens, it opened on Queen Victoria's 1887 Golden Jubilee.

== Records ==

The following are held in the [[India Office Records]] at the [[British Library]].

*'''L/AG/46/12/86''' : GIPR Lists of appointments (officers 1849-1885; workmen 1852-1880)
*'''L/AG/46/12/88''' : GIPR Contracts of employment (officers 1886-1925; workmen 1881-1925)
*'''Z/L/AG/46''' : Index to UK Appointments to Indian Railways (1849-1925)
*'''Mss Eur D1184/14''' : Letters to Arthur A West from G L Clowser Nov 1860-Nov 1861 British Library, Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections

==Notes==
<references />

== External Links ==

*[http://www.allen-family-tree.co.uk/solomon-tredwell.html Solomon and Alice Tredwell, contractors for Bhore Ghat] ''Instone Family Tree''.

*[http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?txtkeys1=Great+Indian+Peninsula+Railway GIPR picture gallery] ''Science & Society Picture Library''.

*[http://the-railway-image.fotopic.net/c600548.html GIPR picture gallery] ''David Flitcroft's Photographs''.

*[http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1899/aug/03/guaranteed-railways-in-india "Guaranteed Railways in India"] ''Hansard 1803-2005'' (accessed 04 December 2008)

*[http://www.centralrailwayonline.com/aboutus.jsp History (of Central Railway)] ''Central Railway (Indian Railways)''.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatrapati_Shivaji_Terminus Victoria Terminus, (GIPR HQ & station[Bombay])] Wikipedia (now known as Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus)
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=a5MEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bombay+mechanics&hl=en&ei=8FUcTMGmHqC0nAeWxImdDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Paper on the (GIPR) Thul Ghaut Railway incline: ] By James John Berkley: GIPR Chief Engineer, Bombay, 1860.

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34th Regiment of Foot

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Also known as '''The Border Regiment'''.

== Chronology ==
*'''1702''' raised in East Anglia as Lord Lucas's Regiment of Foot
*'''1712''' disbanded
*'''1715''' reformed
*'''1751''' numbered the 34th Regiment of Foot
*'''1782''' became the 34th (Cumberland) Regiment of Foot
*'''1881''' amalgamated with the [[55th Regiment of Foot|55th (Westmorland) Regiment of Foot]] to become the 1st Battalion The Border Regiment
*'''1959''' amalgamated with The King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) to become 2nd Battalion, King's Own Royal Border Regiment as part of the King's Division
*'''2006''' merged with the other regiments of North West England to become The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment

== Service in India ==
*'''1801''' Cape of Good Hope, South Africa (Kaffir War)
*'''1802''' India
*'''1805''' [[Wallajabad]]
*'''1806-10''' [[Bellary]]
*'''1812-14''' [[Secunderabad]]
*'''1816''' [[Vellore]]
*'''1817-18''' [[3rd Maratha War]] (Pindari Campaign)
*'''1819''' [[Bangalore]]
*'''1820''' [[Madras]]
*'''1822''' [[Wallajabad]]
*'''1823''' [[Madras]] then to England
*'''1857''' [[Indian Mutiny]] - see below
*'''1861-62''' [[Fyzabad]]
*'''1865-67''' [[Moorar]] then to England
*'''1876-78''' [[Ferozepore]]
*'''1879-80''' Bengal/[[Afghanistan]]
*'''1881''' [[Agra]]
*'''1885''' [[Sialkot]]
*'''1889''' [[Burma]] then to England

===Indian Mutiny===
The 34th Foot landed in India during the [[Indian Mutiny]] after having spent approximately one year back in England following their involvement in the Crimean War (where they served in the siege of Sebastopol and the attack upon the Redan). The 34th saw significant service during the Mutiny following their arrival in [[Calcutta]] in October of 1857, serving at [[Cawnpore]], at the final siege and reduction of the city of [[Lucknow]] and finally in the [[Trans-Gogra Campaign]] against the fleeing rebels in Nepal in early 1859. See the [[88th Regiment of Foot]] for details on some of these actions.

== Bibliography ==
John Kitzmiller, ''In Search of the Forlorn Hope: A Comprehensive Guide to Locating British Regiments and their Records (1640 to WWI)'', 2 vols (Salt Lake City: Manuscript Publishing Foundation, 1988), ISBN 0961926031

Philip Haythornthwaite, ''The Colonial Wars Source Book'' (London: Arms & Armour, 1996), ISBN 1854091964; (London: Caxton, 2000) ISBN 185409436X

Norman K Crowder, ''British Army Pensioners Abroad'' (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub Co, 1995), ISBN 0806314605

== External Links ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_(Cumberland)_Regiment_of_Foot 34th Regiment of Foot] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Border_Regiment The Border Regiment] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_Own_Royal_Border_Regiment King's Own Royal Border Regiment] Wikipedia

====Historical books on-line====
[http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog ''A historical account of the services of the 34th & 55th regiments, the linked line battalions in the 2nd or Cumberland & Westmorland subdistrict brigade, from the periods of their formation until the present time'' by George Noakes 1875] (Archive.org) Note: content is only given for first three and a bit chapters and the history of the two regiments is intertwined.<br>
The 34th landed at Madras in 1803, [http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog#page/n62/mode/1up/ page 50]<br>
The following pages are also relevant:
[http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog#page/n70/mode/1up page 58],
[http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog#page/n73/mode/1up/ page 61] [http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog#page/n142/mode/1up page 131] for service from 1857<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco02noakgoog#page/n84/mode/1up Page 72] advises that the practice of providing an evening meal was started in the 34th Regiment and was later adopted generally in the Army.<br>
[http://www.archive.org/stream/diaryof24thbatta00carliala#page/n3/mode/2up ''Diary of 2/4th Battalion the Border Regiment, 1914-19''] (archive.org)

[[Category: British Army Infantry Regiments]]

Poona

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|presidency= [[Bombay]]
|image= St Patricks RC Church Poona.jpg
|coordinates= [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=18.53,73.85&spn=0.1,0.1&q=18.53,73.85 18.520469°N, 73.85662°E]
|altitude= 560 m (1,837 ft)
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|stateprovince= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra Maharashtra]
|country= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India India]
|transport= [[Great Indian Peninsula Railway]]<br>[[Southern Mahratta Railway]]
}}

'''Poona''' is a city about 100km south-east of [[Bombay]] (now Mumbai), which was a popular social retreat for residents of Bombay as well as formerly the largest garrison town in the Deccan for the [[British Army]]. The British comedian, Spike Milligan, spent his childhood there (his father was an artillery Captain in the British Indian Army).

Modern Pune lies on the west side of the Deccan plateau beneath the Western Ghats (Sahyadri mountain range) at the confluence of the Mula and Mutha rivers. Known for its textiles and metal working, it is now the sixth largest city in India, with India's largest student population, and site of the ashram of the Orange People (followers of Sri Rajneesh).

Poona was an important junction where the metre gauge [[Southern Mahratta Railway]] met the broad gauge of the [[Great Indian Peninsula Railway]].

== History ==
Poona grew under the Moguls from 1636 as a trade route. Its importance escalated after 1750 when it became the capital of the Marathá Empire, where the Peshwas had their palace.

A battle for Poona in October 1802 between the Peshwa Bajirao II and the Holkars led to the 2nd Anglo-Maratha War.

The British involvement in Poona began after the 1802 Treaty of Bassein - when Peshwā Bjī Rao allowed the English to station a small military force in the town.

After the Peshwas were defeated at the [[Battle of Poona]] on 17/18 November 1817 (aka: Battle of Yeraoda) between the British and the Marathas near Poona in the [[3rd Maratha War]] the city was seized. It was placed under the administration of the Bombay Presidency. The British built a large military cantonment to the east of the city (still used by the Indian Army).

The arrival of the railways opened up communication routes to Bombay, previously constrained by the terrain.

Poona Municipality was established in 1858. Poona was at one time the "monsoon capital" of the [[Bombay Presidency]], and was the headquarters of the British District of the Central Division (District Officers and Commissioners).

== Spelling Variants ==
Modern name: Pune<br>
Variants: Poona<br>
[[Image:Western India Club Poona.jpg|300px|thumb|Western India Club, Poona]]

==English Quarters==
*The Civil Lines
*Stavely Road (from the old city, heading to the Poona Cantonment)
*Poona Cantonment

== Clubs==
*Western India Club - English members
*Deccan Club - mixed Indian and English members
*Sanvarjanik Sabha and Deccan Sabah- Indian members

==Education==
'''Further Education'''

Poona Sanskrit College 1837 opened and offered a combined Sanskrit and medicine course (linked to Sansoon General Hospital) – under Superintendant: Captain Candy.

Sanskrit and Vernacular College est 1851/52, formed from the amalgamation of Poona’s English and Venacular schools, later it became the Deccan Arts College 1857, with an affiliation to Bombay University 1860.

The Engineering College was founded 1865 and was affiliated to Bombay University (its creation is contemporary with the construction of the Great Indian Peninsular Railway) Later (1880) it was known as the College for Science . It educated staff for the Public Works Department. Courses were offered in: Civil Engineering, Agriculture, Forestry, plus apprentice training.

Political activist Bal Gangadhar Tilak and local citizens founded The Deccan Education Society est 1884, and were responsible for founding Fergusson College, a law school, in 1885.

'''Schools'''

Supplementing native sanskrit schools, Government Schools opened in 1826 to teach vernacular, initially under control of Mr Jervis. Numbers increased to 3 Government Schools in Poona by 1847, and 23 by 1883 (many other existed in the greater Poona district). They comprised:

*High School 1
*Anglo-Vernacular 2
*Vernacular 18
*Teacher Training schools 2 (male est: 1857, female est: 1870)

In addition there were 45 Private schools, including:

*The Free Church Mission School for Girls est 1850 in the camp
*The Convent High School for Girls est 1860
*Bishops High School, est1864
*The Pensioner's Middle Class School for boys and girls est 1864
*Free Church Mission Institute est 1866
*Poona Native Institution est 1866
*St Vincent Roman Catholic High School est 1867 includes anglo-indian section,
*St Mary’s Girls High School est 1867
*St Anne’s Middle Class School for Girls est 1873
*The Victoria Girls High School est 1876
*The Free Church Mission School for Boys est 1876 in Aditvar Peth
*The Conference Middle Class School est 1879
*The Mission Orphanage and Christian Boys Middle Class School est 1879
*The New English School est 1880
*The Scottish Girls High School est 1882
*The Zanana Mission Anglo-Vernacular School for Girls est 1882 in Sukravar Peth, Sadasiv Peth *Civil Lines and Kamathipura
*The Mission Orphanage Panch Haud Vernacular School est 1882
*The Free Church Mission for Girls Vernacular School est 1882 in Aditvar Peth
*The Bene-Israel Girls Vernacular School in Rastya Peth est 1882

==Hospitals==
In addition to the Sansoon General Hospital, Roman Catholic Orphanage, Charitable Infirmary, St Margaret’s Hospital, St Johns Hospital, and Leper Hospital,there were 10 dispenseries in Poona.

==Churches==

*St Mary’s Church est 1825 originally, mainly for the officers and soldiers of the British, along with their families located in the military cantonment
*Christ Church opened by Scottish Missionaries 1831
*St.Patrick's Church est 1850
*Church of the Immaculate Conception, est 1854
*St.Xavier's Church est 1864
*The St.Andrew's Church est 1864, was built to cater to the British Army personnel and their families belonging to the Church of Scotland
*All Saints Church est 1869 (Birth, Death, Marriage and Baptism registers are all available since 1869) a military church at the Kirkee cantonment
*Methodist Marathi Church est 1872.
*The Church Of The Holy Name est 1885
*Ghorpuri Garrison Church, est 1890, now known as St.John's Telugu Church
*St Matthew's Tamil Curch est1893
*Jewish Synagogue
*United Free Church

==Cemeteries==
*Sangam (near the old Residency)
*St Pauls Church
*East Street
*Kirkee close to the rifle butts
*Sholapur Road
*Kirkee Memorial for 1,800 servicemen who died in India during the First World War, who are buried in civil and cantonment cemeteries in India and Pakistan
*Kirkee War Cemetery contains 1668 Commonwealth burials from the Second World War - many graves have been reinterred at Kirkee from other sites in western and central India

==Newspapers==
European newspapers were the Deccan Herald, and Poona Observer.

== External links ==
===Historical Books Online===
Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency Archive.org
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924070623677#page/n5/mode/2up Volume 18, Part 1, Poona] 1885
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924070623685#page/n5/mode/2up Volume 18, Part 2, Poona] 1885
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/gazetteer13pregoog Volume 18, Part 3, Poona] 1885
Digital East Asia Library: The Imperial Gazetteer of India
*[http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/gazetteer/ Poona] 1908

===Other===
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/ourtroublesinpoo00crawuoft#page/n7/mode/2up Our Troubles in Poona and the Deccan] A Crawford 1897. A colourful account of local characters and their relationships with the English
*[http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Poona "Poona"] ''LoveToKnow 1911''
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poona "Pune"] ''Wikipedia''
*[http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/495 ''Deccan Queen: A Spatial Analysis of Poona in the Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries''] by Wayne Thomas Mullen. Sydney University Digital Theses 26 March 2006. A thesis which is “structured around the analysis of a model that describes the Cantonment, the Civil Lines, the Sadr Bazar and part of the Native City of the Western Indian settlement of Poona in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries”
*[http://www.punediary.com/html/churches.html "Churches"] ''punediary: churches''
*[http://www.virtualpune.com/html/channel/status/christ/christ.shtml "Churches"] ''virtualpune: churches''
*[http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=146500&mode=1 "Commonwealth War Graves in Poona"]

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[[Category:Cities, towns and villages in Bombay Presidency]]

Siege of Cawnpore June 1857

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{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[:Category:Indian Mutiny|Indian Mutiny]]
|date=5-27 June 1857
|location=[[Cawnpore]] Uttar Pradesh
|presidency=[[Bengal]]
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=26.470875,80.371898&z=14&t=h&hl=en 26.470876°N 80.371896°E]
|result=Siege
|territory=
|combatant1=[[East India Company]]
|combatant2=Rebel Sepoys
|commander1=[http://www.archive.org/stream/dictionaryofindi00buckuoft#page/448/mode/1up/search/Wheeler Maj Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler]
|commander2=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Sahib Nana Sahib (Dhondu Pant)]<br>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatya_Tope Tatya Tope]
|strength1=950 incl. 225 women & 320 children
|strength2=
|casualties1=
|casualties2=
}}

== Synopsis ==
On 4 and 5 June the rank and file of the native regiments broke and fled towards Delhi leaving the native officers and 80 men who remained faithful. Nana Sahib induced the sepoys to return and attack the Europeans at Cawnpore. The siege began on 7 June. Wheeler moved his garrison outside the city to a small entrenchment consisting of a few barrack huts with a low earth rampart. They would have been better able to defend the magazine with its store of arms and ammunition. During the next 3 weeks one barrack hut was burned down and all the artillerymen killed. With food, water and ammunition nearly exhausted, capitulation was the only option for the defenders. They were offered safe conduct to [[Allahabad]] and on 27 June they were conducted to boats waiting at Satichaura Ghat on the Ganges. See [[Cawnpore (Satichaura Ghat)]] for subsequent events.

== Wheeler's Garrison ==
*One company of Artillery - 63 men, 16 women, 20 children
*[[84th Regiment of Foot|84th Regiment]] - 60 men, 55 women, 40 children
*[[32nd Regiment of Foot|32nd Regiment]] - 84 men, 45 women, 60 children
*[[1st Madras (European) Fusiliers|1st Madras Fusiliers]] - 15 men
*Musicians and other occupations - 45 men, 29 women, 100 children
*Non-military - 100 men, 80 women, 100 children

== Native Troops ==
*[[2nd Bengal Light Cavalry|2nd Light Cavalry]]
*[[1st Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry|1st Bengal Native Infantry]]
*[[53rd Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry|53rd Bengal Native Infantry]]
*[[56th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry|56th Bengal Native Infantry]]

== External Links ==
[http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armycampaigns/indiancampaigns/mutiny/mutiny.htm "Indian Mutiny 1857-58"] www.britishempire.co.uk<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Cawnpore "Siege of Cawnpore"] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanpur_Memorial_Church Kanpur Memorial Church] Wikipedia<br>
[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101029186/ Maj Gen Sir Hugh Wheeler] ODNB

==== Historical books on-line ====
'' List of inscriptions on Christian tombs and tablets of historical interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh'' by E A H Blunt ICS 1911 [http://www.archive.org/stream/listofinscriptio00blunuoft#page/106/mode/2up Description of the uprising and names on monuments of European victims] archive.org

== Recommended Reading ==
Saul David, ''Indian Mutiny: 1857'' (London: Viking, 2002), ISBN 0670911372 ; (Penguin, 2002), ISBN 0141005548<br>
W H Russell, ''My Indian Mutiny Diary'' (Periodicals Service Co, 1967), ISBN 0527781207<br>
Andrew Ward, ''Our Bones are Scattered: the Cawnpore Massacres and the Indian Mutiny of 1857'' (McArthur & Co, 1996), ISBN 0719564107
[[Category:Battles|Cawnpore, Siege of]]
[[Category:Oude Campaign|Cawnpore, Siege of]]
[[Category:Indian Mutiny|Cawnpore, Siege of]]

Malabar

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Those with an interest in Malabar may wish to read Nick Balmer’s blog at [http://malabardays.blogspot.com/ Malabar Days]

== Recommended Reading ==

* [[BACSA]] have published a book entitled [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Cemeteries_and_monumental_inscriptions_reading_list The Malabar Coast : the burial registers of St Thomas' Church, Quilon and Christ Church, Trivandrum] which details inscriptions of those buried there. The index of persons named therein can be searched at [http://bacsa.frontisgroup.com/bin/index.php BACSA Search]. Applications can be made to BACSA for copies of relevant material.

==External links==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar Malabar] Wikipedia
===Historical books online===
*[http://www.google.com/books?id=LDUBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PP5 ''Letters from Malabar by Jacob Canter Visscher (now first translated from the original Dutch) to which is added An Account of Travancore and Fra Bartolomeo’s Travels in that Country''] by Major Heber Drury (1862), Google Books.

[[Category:Locations]]

Battle of Dadur

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{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[:Category:1st Afghan War|1st Afghan War 1839-42]]
|date=2 November 1840
|location=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhadar Dhadar], [[Baluchistan]]
|presidency=[[Bombay]]
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=29.484963,67.645203&z=15&t=h&hl=en 29.484963°N 67.645203°E]
|result=British victory
|territory=
|combatant1=British & Indians
|combatant2=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahui_people Brahui tribesmen]
|commander1=Captain Boscawen
|commander2= Mir Mahomed Nusseer Khan
|strength1=
|strength2=
|casualties1=
|casualties2=300
}}
'''This was an event during the [[1st Afghan War]]'''<br>
'''For context see main article [[Affairs in Beloochistan]]'''

== Summary ==
After Mir Mahomed Nusseer Khan took control of Kalat with his Brahui tribesmen, he attempted to drive the British from the country they occupied between Shikapore and [[Quetta]]. He was defeated by Captain Boscawen, HM 40th Regiment, at Dadur.

== Boscawen's Forces ==
*Right wing of [[40th Regiment of Foot|HM 40th Regiment]]
*[[38th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry|38th Bengal Native Infantry]]
*200 [[Scinde Horse|Scinde Irregular Horse]]
*Two 6-pounders

== Spelling Variants ==
Modern name: Dhadar<br>
Variants: Dadar/Dadur<br>

== External Links ==
[http://www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php?Dir=wars&FileName=wars_afghan.php Afghan Wars] Heritage History<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War 1st Afghan War] Wikipedia<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OhMFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA142&dq=Dadur+Boscawen+1840&cd=4#v=onepage&q&f=false Battle of Dadur] Google Books<br>
[http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/gaz_atlas_1909/fullscreen.html?object=41 Baluchistan Map] Digital South Asia Library

[[Category:Battles|Dadar, Battle of]]
[[Category:1st Afghan War|Dadar, Battle of]]
[[Category:Affairs in Beloochistan]]

25th Regiment (3rd Battalion Rifle Regiment) of Bombay Infantry

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#REDIRECT [[125th Napier's Rifles]]
[[Category:Indian Army Infantry Regiments]]

Subscription websites-online newspapers, journals and directories

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This page is a part of [[Newspapers and journals online]]

There are three subscription sites which contain online newspapers, journals, directories etc, published in India

The access is restricted to Library Card holders of participating libraries, including the following National Libraries (noting there is generally a residential requirement): [http://www.nls.uk/catalogues/online/er/index.html Scotland], [http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=otherresourcesa-z Wales], [http://www.nli.ie/en/eresources.aspx Ireland], [http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/list/licenced/e Australia], [http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/databases/athome.cfm State Library of NSW], and many University Libraries. At least one site, ECCO may also be accessed from the [[British Library]] Reading Rooms.

==[http://www.gale.cengage.com/DigitalCollections/products/ecco/index.htm Eighteenth Century Collections Online (ECCO)]==
A part of Gale Digital Collections.

*''A List of the Company's civil servants, at their settlements in the East-Indies, the island St. Helena, and China.'' 1790, 1799. HEIC lists of senior and junior merchants, factors, and writers.
*''Bengal calendar.'' 1787, 1789.
*''Bengal calendar & register.'' 1790.
*''Bengal kalendar and almanack.'' 1792.
*''Bengal kalendar and register.'' 1795, 1800.
*''Bengal or East-India calendar.'' 1795. Includes details for Madras, Bombay etc.
*''Bengal register, containing lists of the Hon. Company's civil and military establishments, under the Presidency of Fort William.'' 1787. HEIC employees in Bengal, including surgeons.
*''Calcutta monthly register.'' Vol 1, November 1790.
*''East India kalendar; or, Asiatic register for Bengal, Madras, Bombay, Fort Marlborough, China, and St. Helena.'' 1791, 1797.
*''Oriental magazine; or, Calcutta amusement.'' 1785.

==[http://www.amdigital.co.uk/collections/Eighteenth-Century-Journals-Portal/default.aspx Eighteenth Century Journals, Newspapers and Periodicals c 1685-1815]==
A part of Adam Matthew Digital.

===Published in Calcutta===
*''Asiatic Mirror, and Commercial Advertiser.'' 276 (22 May 1793), 284 (17 July 1793), 296 (9 October 1793), 526 (7 March 1798).
*''Calcutta Chronicle; and General Advertiser.'' 1787-1790.
*''Calcutta Friday Morning Post and General Advertiser.'' 1793.
*''Calcutta Gazette; or, Oriental Advertiser, / Calcutta Gazette.'' 1784-1794.
*''Calcutta Morning Post Extraordinary.'' 1793.
*''Hicky's Bengal Gazette; or, Calcutta General Advertiser.'' 1780-1782.
*''India Gazette, or, Calcutta Public Advertiser.'' 1780-1785 (incomplete), 1793.
*''World.'' 1794.

===Published in Madras===
*''Hircarrah.'' 1794.
*''Madras Courier.'' 1790-1792.
*''Madras Gazette.'' 1788, 1809.
*''The Phoenix.'' 1797.

===Published in Bombay===
*''Bombay Courier.'' 1793-1817 (incomplete).
*''Bombay Gazette.'' 1792, 1813-1814.

==[http://www.gale.cengage.com/DigitalCollections/products/ukperiodicals/ 19th Century UK Periodicals]==
A part of Gale Digital Collections.

===Published in Calcutta===
*''Bengal Catholic Expositor'', continued as ''Catholic Herald'', continued as ''Bengal Catholic Herald.'' 1839-41/March-Dec 1841/1842-64.
*''Calcutta Review.'' 1844-1900.
*''The Friend of India / The Friend of India and Statesman / Statesman and Friend of India / The Friend of India and Statesman.'' 1835-76/1877-83/1885-94/1894-1900
*''Gleanings in Science /Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal.'' 1829-31/1832-1900.
*''Oriental Observer / Oriental Literary Observer / Oriental Observer / Oriental Observer and Literary Chronicle.'' 1827-31/ May-Dec 1831/1832-33/1837-39.
*''Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Bengal.'' (Asiatick Researchers' Society of History, Antiquities, Arts, Sciences and Literature of Asia in Bengal, Calcutta, India) 1800-1839.

===Published in Madras===
*''Madras Journal of Literature and Science.'' 1833-94.

[[Category: Online books]]

Hyderabad State

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'''Hyderabad State''', also referred to as the '''Nizam's Dominions''', was the largest of the [[Princely states]]. Not formally a part of [[British India]], the mainly Hindu state was ruled by a series of hereditary Muslim princes called 'Nizam' (from Nizam-ul-Mulk - Administrator of the Realm <ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam "Nizam"], Wikipedia</ref>) from 1724 to September 1948 when it was forcibly integrated into the Indian Union and the Nizam deposed.

The state had borders with the [[Madras Presidency]] to the south, the [[Bombay Presidency]] to the west and [[Berar]] and the [[Central Provinces]] to the north. Its capital was the city of [[Hyderabad]]: immediately to the capital's north lay [[Secunderabad]], a city in its own right and a military cantonment under direct British rule. Collectively, the two were often referred to as the 'Twin Cities'.

==Records==

===British Library Records===
Baptisms,Marriages and Burials - ''Indian (Princely) States 1890-1946, N/5''.

===Books===
''List of inscriptions on tombs or monuments in H.E.H. the Nizam's dominions'' : with biographical notes by O.S. Crofton. Hyderabad, published under the authority of His Exalted Highness the Nizam's Govt, 1941. Available at the [[British Library]].

This India List [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2009-11/1257628536 thread] gives the names of the cemeteries in 1939, probably taken from the book above.

===LDS Microfilms===
A keyword search in the [[LDS]] Library Catalogue for Hyderabad shows [http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&keyword=Hyderabad&prekeyword=Hyderabad entries]

== References ==
<references />

==External links==
===Historical books online===
*''The Nizam: his History and Relations with the British Government'' by Henry George Briggs 1861 [http://www.archive.org/details/nizamvoli033183mbp Volume 1, Archive.org] [http://books.google.com/books?id=C35DAAAAYAAJ Volume 2, Google Books]
*''Our Faithful Ally The Nizam'' by Captain Hastings Fraser 1865 [http://books.google.com/books?id=58IBAAAAMAAJ Google Books]
*[http://www.archive.org/stream/historicalandde00willgoog#page/n5/mode/1up ''Historical and descriptive sketch of His Highness the Nizam's Dominions Volume 1''] by Syed Hossain Bilgrami and C Willmott of H H’s Civil Service 1883 Archive.org
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=Ajmu3TVj9ykC&pg=PP5 ''Hints on irregular cavalry: its conformation, management and use in both a military and political point of view''] by Capt Charles Farquhar Trower, H. H. The Nizam’s Cavalry 1845 Google Books
*[http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/pdf/gazeetter_reprint/Aurangabad/home.html ''Gazetteer of the Nizam’s Dominion-Aurangabad District''] originally published 1884, Gazetteers Department of the Govt of Maharashtra

===Other===
*[http://www.hinduonnet.com/mp/2010/01/14/stories/2010011450030100.htm "Reprinting Deccan heritage"] ''The Hindu'', Jan 14, 2010 talks about the reprint of the book ''Glimpses of The Nizam's Dominions being an exhaustive photographic history of the Hyderabad state, Deccan, India. With nearly 600 superbly reproduced views'' by Claude Campbell first published in 1898.

[[Category:Locations]]
[[Category:Princely States]]

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Siege of Kahan

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== Synopsis ==
Captain Lewis was put in charge of a detachment to occupy the fort at Kahan in the Muree (Marri) Hills. He set out from [[Sukkur]] with Lieut Clarke of the 2nd Grenadiers reaching Poolajee (Foliji) on 8 April 1840. The field detachment noted below was waiting for him. He was ordered to send the guns to Lahri but, knowing he could not force the passes without artillery, he kept one gun. He left Poolajee on 2 May without the Pathan horse who he felt would be of limited help. The Surtoff Pass was reached on 8 May with little interference from the Baluchis and on 10 May they crested the Nuffoosk Pass where there was more resistance. Kahan Fort was occupied on 11 May.

On 16 May Lieut Clarke started the return journey with 700 unladen camels and an escort of 80 infantry and the 50 cavalry. Lewis feared he would meet opposition and added a party of 5 [[havildar|havildars]] and 80 [[sepoy|sepoys]] under a [[subadar]] but Clarke sent these back when he was unopposed at the Nuffoosk Pass. Some hours later a [http://www.archive.org/stream/hobsonjobsonbein00yuleuoft#page/312/mode/2up/search/dhooly dhooly] bearer came back to the fort to announce that he was the only survivor of the returning subadar party which had been ambushed by 2,000 Baluchis and massacred. On 21 May a message came that Clarke's detachment had reached Surtoff Mountain 13 miles away when they were attacked. Clarke with 30 infantrymen advanced up the hill but, after a two hour battle, ran out of ammunition and were slaughtered. The Baluchis then fell on the convoy at which the cavalry fled towards Poolajee and the infantry except for one havildar and 11 privates were killed. The camels and baggage were lost.

Captain Lewis was then left with the garrison noted below. Under constant attack he held out for a further four months until he learned that a relief force under Major Clibborn had been turned back in a [[Battle at Nuffoosk Pass|battle at Nuffoosk Pass]] on 31 August. Knowing he would eventually run out of supplies, he negotiated a safe conduct with the Marri chiefs. The garrison left the fort on 28 September with 20 sick on camels and dragging the field gun. They ascended the Nuffoosk Pass to come across the bodies of Clarke's massacred detachment which they had to leave unburied. They marched on over the Surtoff mountain and on 30 September found water but were forced to abandon their ammunition so that they could transport the sick. Their Marri guide went ahead to Poolajee for help and returned on 1 October with some cavalry, spare camels and gun bullocks. They reached safety at midnight.

== Field detachment ==
*300 bayonets [[105th Mahratta Light Infantry|5th Regiment]] under Ensign Taylor
*Two 12-pounder howitzers under Lieut D Erskine
*50 Scinde Irregular Horse
*50 Patan Horse
*600 camels with supplies for 4 months

== Garrison ==
''Capt Lewis Brown''<br>
*140 Rank and file of [[105th Mahratta Light Infantry|5th Regiment of Bombay Infantry]]
*One 12-pounder howitzer under Lieut D Erskine of the Artillery

== Spelling Variants ==
Modern name:Kahan<br>
Variants: Kahun<br>

== External Links ==
[http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=c1YOAAAAQAAJ&dq=Captain+Lewis+Brown&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=rJ4PzRXNBl&sig=kLY3fdJOV9bBob3JuRb1R2f_YvY&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPP5,M1 Captain Brown's Journal] Google Books

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[[Category:Invasion of the HEIC Army|Kahan, Siege of]]
[[Category:1st Afghan War|Kahan, Siege of]]

Category:Railways

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If you want to return to the main [[Railways]] page, click [[Railways|here]].

At present (15 May 2009) this list is a work-in-progress some 170 lines categorised. During the course of preparing ''FIBIS Fact File #4: Research sources for Indian Railways, 1845-1947'', a far more comprehensive list of over 330 names has been produced which is included in the new publication. Ultimately those new names will be included here so check back from time to time if you do not at first find the name that you seek.

[[Category:Top level]]

Transport and communications reading list

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Check the [http://shop.fibis.org/amazon.htm FIBIS Online Bookshop] for availability of recommended titles and more information.

==Railways==

* Bear, Laura
''Lines of the nation : Indian railway workers, bureaucracy, and the intimate historical self''. New York: Colombia University Press, 2007 (Cultures of history)

Built 1898-1900 as the main workshop for the Bengal-Nagpur Railway, Kharagpur was also a railway colony. This book is the result of several years’ ground research exploring the culture and ethnography of the (large) Anglo-Indian community that remains there. A 'must read' for Anglo-Indians with railway roots but uncomfortable in places (e.g. ch. 6 'Public Genealogies' which deals with attempts by the East Indian Railway in the wake of the 1923 Lee Commission to change the classification of its staff by race – European, East Indian, Indian – to one based on domicile – Asiatic, Non-Asiatic). (Reviewed by Hugh Wilding, FIBIS trustee)

* Kerr, Ian J.
''Building the railways of the Raj: 1850-1900''. New ed.
Oxford: OUP, 1998 (Themes in Indian history)

Focusing on the construction of the railways, this book is intended for students of modern Indian history, technology transfer, labour history and railway enthusiasts. Written by the academic authority on the subject of Indian railways the book is rather analytical. Nevertheless it will be very helpful to the family historian who is seeking to understand what an ancestor did to help build the railways, whether he was employed by the Public Works Department, a private contractor or fitted somewhere else in the complex hierarchy. The challenges of this major undertaking are well explained.

* Kerr, Ian J.
''Engines of change: the railroads that made India''.
Westport, CT; London: Praeger, 2006 (Moving through history: transportation and society)

Any book by Ian Kerr on railways in India comes highly recommended and ''Engines of change'', his latest, looks set to become the standard primer on the subject, supplanting J N Westwood’s long out of print ''Railways of India''.

Like Westwood, Kerr is succinct but always ready with detail, fact and insight. In only 8 chapters and 169 pages, he takes the reader from earliest beginnings shortly before 1850 through growth and development firmly tied to the needs of the Raj, then the trauma of Independence and Partition, before bringing the story right up to date with the completion of the Konkan line in 1998 and construction in the 21st century.

This is no Ian Allan guide and neither is it an apologia for the Raj – the author is at pains to point out the short-comings of the British and the inadequacy of the legacy left in 1947 as he considers the impact of the iron horse not just on the countryside but also on Indian politics, society, mores and culture. He also looks at the part it played in the awakening of an Indian national consciousness and it continues to play in shaping the modern nation.

Given the fact and detail that ooze from every page, it is reassuring that there are endnotes for each chapter, an exhaustive (11 page) bibliography and an index, although there is no listing by name of the 45 or so railway administrations (or groupings) that existed in the imperial period nor one of the 16 zones that currently make up Indian Railways. There is also scant coverage of the railways of the Princely States.

With the caveat that there is no personal or genealogical data covered, this is a compelling and enjoyable read, wholeheartedly recommended, but maybe a bit pricey in the UK. (The full review by Hugh Wilding, FIBIS Trustee, appears in FIBIS "Journal" no. 22 (Autumn 2009), pp. 54-56)

* Stevenage, Patrick Hugh
''A railway family in India : five generations of the Stevenages''. London: BACSA, 2001

This is a book of two parts, either of which is interesting in its own right, well-written and with a considerable number of photographs, drawings and reproductions to illustrate both sections. Be aware though that despite the promise of the book’s title, there is only one railwayman by name of Stevenage!

The first part traces the history of the Stevenage family in India, from the arrival of John Stevenage in late 1778, a private in the East India Company’s Madras European Regiment, to the family’s exodus, four generations later, in the years after 1947 and in the wake of Indian Independence. The author has researched his ancestors in great detail, helped by the extinction outside India of all other branches of the Stevenage surname which, while unfortunate, has had the happy consequence that any bearer of the surname must be related! However, the sketchiest family tree, the paucity of footnotes and the lack of a bibliography will surely challenge future Stevenage researchers who turn to this book for enlightenment.

The second, and longer, part is the author’s personal story, beginning in Bangalore in 1922 and ending with early retirement circa 1983 in Haywards Heath. Along the way, the author chronicles childhood, schooling and higher education in the Anglo-Indian community around Madras, initial employment in a bank before becoming a Traffic Officer with the Madras & Southern Mahratta Railway, a position he held until his decision to quit India. A fascinating picture emerges of back office work in managing traffic in the days before computers; the author also had a front-row seat in 1948 for Operation Polo by which the supposedly independent state of Hyderabad was forcibly integrated into the Union of India. Once settled in England, he secured a clerical job with British Railways, retrained as an accountant and ended up supervising the investment budget of British Rail. In this section, the absence of a bibliography is barely noticed. (review by Hugh Wilding, FIBIS Trustee)

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* Wilding, Hugh
''Research sources for Indian railways, 1845-1947''. London: Families in British India Society, 2009 (FIBIS fact files; 4)

This is the latest in the series of handy guides to sources being produced by the Families in British India Society. Inspired by the discovery that a great grandfather had been an employee of the Indian Railways, the author has over the past fifteen years made himself thoroughly acquainted with all UK sources for researching ancestors connected with the Indian railway system. After an introduction which includes an article by Anthony West, another FIBIS researcher in this field, Wilding provides comprehensive lists of the relevant UK archives covering not only the India Office Records, but also The National Archives, the Institution of Civil Engineers, the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, and the Centre of South Asian Studies. There is also a very full book list, a glossary, and – something which has probably never before been attempted – a complete finding list of railways known to have operated in India between 1853 and 1947. (reviewed by David Blake, FIBIS Trustee)

==Communications==

[[Category:Recommended reading]]

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GIPR Bombay-Poona Mail (circa 1908). Postcard owned by Hugh Wilding, FIBIS member.

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|Date published= c 1908 (Maurice I Bray, ''Railway Picture Postcards'', Ashbourne: Moorland, 1986. Appendix 1, p225.)
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|Comments= "'''Bombay-Poona Mail'''. The magnificent train which carries His Majesty's mails between these two towns on the Great Indian Peninsula Railway is one of the finest trains in the British Empire. It was used by T.R.H. the Prince and Princess of Wales during their recent tour in India."
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[[Category:Railway views]]

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GIPR Bombay-Poona Mail (circa 1908). Postcard owned by Hugh Wilding, FIBIS member.

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GIPR Bombay-Poona Mail (circa 1910). Postcard in personal possession of Hugh Wilding, FIBIS member.

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Babies in the Orphanage, [[Bangalore]] (Church of England Zenana Missionary Society, series XIII, c 1915); card owned by Peter Bailey.

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Babies in the Orphanage, Bangalore (Church of England Zenana Missionary Society, series XIII, c 1915); card owned by Peter Bailey.

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Babies in the Orphanage, Bangalore (Church of England Zenana Missionary Society, series XIII, c 1915)

User talk:Symorsebrown

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==Redirects==
Sy, I've worked out why those redirects weren't working. It's because there was a category above the redirect code. The <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[article]]</nowiki> needs to be the first thing on the page. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:18, 22 March 2009 (PDT)

==Indian Army==
Yes, that was a good idea to put (British), as 'from 1895' didn't then rule out the post-Indp army. I saw that wikipedia page too, it is helpful (and I might copy their table). As I didn't know that much about the Indian Army I used it to decide that things should only be categorised as Indian Army after 1895 and before that still as the Company Armies. As it said that before 1895 Indian Army was only an unofficial term I have decided to stick to that rule. If someone who knows much more about the Indian Army than us thinks it should be otherwise, then we can change it again. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 01:51, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

:Its getting there! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 05:43, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

==Skinner's Horse==
I saw you put in that biographical information from the roots list. Do you know if it is a direct quote from the Dictionary of Indian Biography? If so, and that is not an out of copyright book, we cannot use it on the page. A rewrite in your own words (and then a reference) would probably be fine. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 01:51, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

:'''Re:copyright''' As I understand the situation, anything on the site must adhere to UK/EU copyright law, regardless of who has added the information and where they are located. In cases where one is unsure, err on the side of caution so as not to cause problems for Fibis. In this case I don't think we can use the text, but it is perfectly acceptable to write a piece based on the text (and probably helpful just to acknowledge that in a references section). It's a nice background piece for Skinner's Horse so a rewrite and reference is probably the answer. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 05:43, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

==Page names==
I ''think'' it's probably proper (so to speak) to have the page titles be the full regiment name, which I assume then is 2nd Regiment of Foot (and maybe something in brackets where it is appropriate). If in the ''first'' sentence/paragraph of the article it states 'May be referred to as '''2nd Foot''' or the '''Queen's Own'''' (or whatever is correct in this instance) then I think that should still work fine for google searches. You've already been doing that for some of the native regiments. I think it only need be done for the most common names or shorthands because all those other name changes come up in the chronologies. I don't think there can be a perfect solution to this as regiment names are a bit of a minefield, but that is my suggestion. What do you think? An alternative/additional solution would be redirects for those other common names. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:57, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

== re various matters ==

*'''[[19th Regiment of Foot]]'''
Sorry, didn't have time to reply yesterday but did fix the issue you mentioned - I just made the first sentence not a heading but bold instead. I'm sure you knew how to do that already but just couldn't see the wood for the trees for a minute. I think making the Cathy Day website article into a subarticle was fine, but I am just checking with Valmay about this in case there is a solution she would prefer. I think your chronology should probably go above the old article though, just to keep it is the same place on all articles.
*'''[[Skinner's Horse]]'''
Did you have a think about rewriting the copyright section? I can do it if you like as I don't think we should leave it up there too long in its present state.
*'''Church article'''
Thats got good information. Obviously we can't copy the text, but can include the info somewhere. For now I just made the [[Thalassery]] location article and put the link in there. Can be linked up with churches category somehow later, but for now its there for anyone looking up Thalassery.

[[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:39, 27 March 2009 (PDT)

==29/3/09==
*'''[[19th Regiment of Foot]]'''
I checked this out with Valmay. The way you incorporated the old article was fine. I am going to make a little template to use for those with those articles transferred from Cathy Day's site and elsewhere, but don't worry about that - it'll make sense once you see it.

*'''[[Belwar]] & [[Belwar (Fort)]]'''
Truth is, I have no idea if a town of Belwar exists away from the fort, which is why I left as is for now. A quick google search shone no light on the issue. Belwar seems to be a tribe also? Let's leave two seperate articles for now (as it doesn't hurt) and just link them together. Hopefully, someone will know and be able to sort the issue out at a later date.

*'''Madras infantry matters'''
Hmm, I'm not totally sure as I don't know much about the Presidency infantry regiments. All the regiments I've come across for my own research have been cavalry or artillery (not that I know a great deal about those either!) so I haven't had much cause to investigate the infantry ones. I don't fully understand about the Native/European regiment issue. Looking at Madras infantry regiment category I see we have the following example -
*24th Regiment of Madras Infantry
*24th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry
I take it the first is the European regiment? My instinct is to keep them all in one category so as not to confuse someone browsing. I wonder if the European ones should be named as such (ie 24th Regiment of Madras European Infantry). Depends what their official name is I suppose. Do you have Peter Bailey's HEIC armies book? I don't, but wonder if it makes these issues any clearer. I don't think we need that extra category Madras Infantry inside the Madras Infantry Regiments category. Unless I have misunderstood, the two new articles you have created, [[Madras European Infantry]] and [[Madras Native Infantry]] are general articles covering all the regiments that fall under those titles. I am going to move the two articles up into the main category. They will be the perfect place to explain the differences etc between the two when you understand that.

*'''Wars/battles dates in categories'''
As far as I know, you cannot change the way the name displays in the list of categories/articles. Example - if the article on one of the Afghan wars does not have a date, we cannot make the wiki show one. The only way around this I can think of is to have an article that is a chronological list of wars/battles etc. I quite like the idea of that as it would provide a nice linked up history (also a good way to browse what is happening in India whilst your soldier ancestor is out there), although I appreciate it might be a bit of a task. Perhaps even just a list of wars/campaigns and major battles might work. What do you think?

Let me know if I've forgotten anything! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:48, 29 March 2009 (PDT)

==Re Madras Infantry==
I'm not sure if I have misunderstood all that about the European/Native infantry. If I'm reading your articles right, there were 3 Euro regiments and about 50 Natv ones? Then how does that affect the example I gave above about the 24th regiments? Are they in fact the same regiment and the articles should be merged? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:39, 29 March 2009 (PDT)

== Bilwa ==

Sy, I'll answer your other comments when I have more time tomorrow, but I was trying to find out something about Belwar/Bilwa and came across this article: [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NENZC18580630.2.13&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all NZ Chronicle archive] (I've found some very useful articles on there over the past few months). Bilwa is mentioned about a third of the way into the article and it clearly demarcates the town and the fort (to my reading, anyhow). Can't find it on google earth though so still don't know if it exists anymore. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:47, 30 March 2009 (PDT)

==Other matters==
*'''Chronological list of wars'''
Ok, lets do this then. It's donkey work I'm afraid, but it doesn't need to be rushed. Now, you have input all the battles so you are best placed to know this - are there lots of battles that don't form a part of specific campaigns? Do you think the list should just be wars, campaigns and isolated battles, rather than say list all battles of the Indian Mutiny? (That could be its own article perhaps.) Right, I have made a page here - [[Chronological list of wars and battles]] and a rough lead sentence and structure. We can change the article name if you think something else is more appropriate. I think we should break the list into double decades for readability and usability, so have done a few, but if I haven't started early enough, just put those in or if you think it should be broken into smaller sections go ahead. I have done a table format to keep it all uniform. Let me know if you need a hand working it out. We can add more columns if you think of something else important to go in. Anyhow, like I say, I have only made a rough version to get going with and we can make any changes necessary. I suggest going through the wars category by alphabet to fill this in and make a note on the talk page of the chronological list as to which letter you have got up to. Then we can both work on the list when we have time but still know what the other has done. Does that make sense?

*'''[[Battle of Belwar Fort]]'''
Good idea to put that article snippet in. I fixed the picture size - just have a look on the edit page and you can see what I did. I might've found Belwar on a modern map. Not sure - see what you think. It's about 30 miles SE of Gorakhpur and just north of the larger town Deoria on this [http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/india/txu-oclc-6614190-ng44-8.jpg map]. This [http://www.pdavis.nl/Mutiny.htm account] about it seems to fit, but I just don't know. We better not copy that one by the way!

*'''Native regiments etc'''
I agree that the way to go is have only one page for a regiment and then redirect any alternative names. Then those redirects can go in the appropriate categories. I don't think there will be a perfect way to do this due to the complexities of the regiment histories, so I think what you are doing now is the best way.

*'''Bold titles'''
Yes, I changed that bold title so that it didn't appear in the table of contents. About having it bigger - there is already a big title at the top of the article. A bold statement at the beginning probably draws enough attention the size it is now.

*'''Copyright etc'''
This was the page with the text from another webiste that I wondered if we shouldn't be copying - [[9th Bengal Light Cavalry]]. It seems a bit long and when it is from someone else's website I think it is a bit different to quoting from a book. I am worried they might see it more as copying than quoting. If it was rewritten and then there was a line to say the source was the British Empire website that would probably be ok. I'm just erring on the side of caution.

I have quite a few things to catch up on here on the wiki so better do those before I start anything else but please point out anything to me I have said I would do and forgotten! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:23, 1 April 2009 (PDT)

==Chronological list==
With respect to categories, it can go in the top level of the wars and campaigns and then anywhere else we think it'll be useful, but lets leave it out until its got going a bit. As for changing categories, lets leave that for now as well - there's no rush to change them and lets gt this article sorted out properly first. I'll have a look at how many will be affected in order to know how much work it will be.

You asked shall we mix up battles and campaigns. That is what I was trying to ask your opinion on, but I just worded it very badly! The article should definitely be wars and campaigns. As for including battles, if most individual battles are in the Mutiny then we could leave those ones out (and just have '1857-58 Indian Mutiny' and a link to the category or whatever) and perhaps then include other individual, isolated battles in the list. What do you think?

Yes, I thought some campaigns would spread over 2 sections. I thought doing 2 decade blocks would minimise that as much as possible. I don't really know how to avoid it otherwise - the list needs to be split up somehow or it will be unreadable. Would it seem strange to put such a campaign in both '1860s & 1870s' and '1880s & 1890s' (for instance)? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 13:13, 3 April 2009 (PDT)

==Replies==
I agree with everything you said about the chronological list - campaigns/wars only for now (I'll change the title, but we can always change it back if needs be - do you think 'Chronological list of wars and campaigns' is ok?) and putting the campaign into the starting decade seems the most sensible solution.

Regarding H.M. regiments, I completely agree with you and it isn't picky. I was just changing the title of a previous article that already employed that convention and so I assumed it was deemed desirable, but if the use of initials has been pointed out before then I'll change this one as it's obviously an anomaly. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 08:15, 5 April 2009 (PDT)

:<strike>I've been tinkering around with some software and have found a way to quickly change lots of articles to be in a different category (ie Category:1st Afghan War 1839-42 to Category:1st Afghan War). Seeing as its so easy, I think it's probably a good idea to do that before we start putting the wars into the chronological list (as we would only have to change the links again afterwards). I'm just going to check with you first though in case there's something I haven't thought of here. If you think it sounds ok, I'll start zipping through them tomorrow.</strike> [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:34, 5 April 2009 (PDT)
::Hang on, I'll strike this out for now as I can't get the software working on this wiki. Will investigate. Carry on as before! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:55, 5 April 2009 (PDT)

==Template use==
Sorry for the delay in this reply - I haven't had a chance to do any work on here for a few days. All looked good to me - I just made a few minor adjustments (section instead of article for instance). I hadn't seen some of those articles. Those sections are very comprehensive aren't they! I particularly liked the Regimental details section of the [[84th Regiment of Foot]] article. Maybe one day we could get around to borrowing that idea for the other regiments! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:52, 14 April 2009 (PDT)

==4th Gurkha Rifles==
I noticed you created a page for the [[4th Gurkhas Rifles]] but that there was already a [[4th Gurkha Rifles]]. I have redirected the new page but copied your more thorough chronology over to the old page. Hope thats ok - if you think the title should be Gurkhas rather than Gurkha, just swap them over, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 14:12, 5 May 2009 (PDT)

==33rd Punjabis==
Well I took the 'no big deal to keep as a redirect' attitude, but if you do think no one will ever search for them under that name, then it is just clutter. Will remove. Thanks for letting me know, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 07:47, 7 May 2009 (PDT)

==12/5/09==
*4th Hussars - well I don't know what happened there! It was blank the two times I tried to load it, but is working today. Rolled back my change. Thanks for pointing out.

*Chronological list - Very good idea about the NWF campaigns. I've got a couple of things I need to finish then I'll set one up. I do think we should remove the dates from the categories now, I need to have another go at getting the method I was working on up and running. Will do so when finished with Apothecaries etc.

Keep up all that good work on the regiments. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:12, 12 May 2009 (PDT)

==Chronological lists==
Just for reference, I have started moving the battles from campaign categories with dates in their titles to ones without. It isn't using the fast method I had hoped, but a slightly faster one than totally manually (a browser plug in that will do find and replaces). Feel free to do any, but no need to make a point of it. I am going through them in the order they appear on the Chronological list. I set up a [[Chronological list of North West Frontier Campaigns]], you can add the articles to that or I will when I get around to it! [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 14:59, 13 May 2009 (PDT)

== 1st Belooch Regiment ==

I searched [[1st Belooch Regiment]] on Google and it does come up with some hits (as does 2nd Belooch) so I think this one is a good candidate for a redirect. Unless you disagree, could you do it rather than me as I don't know for sure where it shpuld be redirected to! I don't think the article needs to be in the regiment category as it is just an alternative spelling (rather than an alternative name). [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:44, 15 May 2009 (PDT)
:<strike>Hmm, I suppose it isn't really desirable to have pages with no category. Lets put them [[:Category:Hidden redirects|here]]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:49, 15 May 2009 (PDT)</strike> Forget all that, I confused myself. Most redirects don't need categories. There are lots of them (see Special Pages, List redirects). [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:52, 15 May 2009 (PDT)
::See the tool box on the left (under the search box). There is a special pages link that lists lots of interesting things. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 08:19, 17 May 2009 (PDT)

== Re:Recent edits ==

NWF list not yet quite finished - I was thinking, whilst doing things related to the 2nd Maratha War today, that it might be nice to do the same for some of the wars. I've probably lost my mind though as it takes an age and I have a lot of things to do first. We'll see!

Battles - will make an article entitled Battles to fix matter. I'm not really sure where to put that old list as I agree it shouldn't actually be deleted. I'll think of something. Re Battles category being accessible from the military category - are there any battles that don't form part of any war or campaign?

The other issues - now some of those are what are called double redirects. When you move a page you need to check for them and I thought I picked most of them up, but obviously not. Basically, a redirect page that goes to a redirect page won't carry on to the intended page - if that makes sense. You can check the in-links to any page by clicking What links here in the toolbox. So if you look at the one for [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Baizai_Expedition|Barzai Expd here]] you can see what I mean. The 2 pages listed under Baiz Exp 1849 (a redirect) link to it and one of those is itself a redirect. I'll leave it for a bit so you can see. The reason I am bothering to explain (somewhat clumsily) is that its something to remember when moving pages. I will redirect it to the correct page so it doesn't cause any problems.

Now the reason I added ‘The Baizai Expedition of 1849 saw the Battle of Baizai Territory' was just to keep the Battle of BT in there for google search purposes. If it is a term that really doesn't exist, just take it out. I have only heard of it from the redirect page. I suggest we keep the redirect page for any future reference though as they really don't hurt, take up almost no computer space (as they are empty) and are totally hidden away.

With the other two is the only problem that there are redirects to them with redundant titles? If so, I am in favour of leaving them in case they are titles that people come across in records or old books. As I say, they do no harm. If there is another problem, please re-advise.

Now, a question for you. Have you any idea if [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?search=hyderabad+contingent&go=Go these Hyderabad regiments] are what '''[[94th Regiment of Foot|this article]]''' calls the Hyderabad Subsidiary Force? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:35, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

==Polygar War==
Oh, another thing. In the [[94th Regiment of Foot]] article, which I was adding sections and links to today, it mentions the [[Polygar War]]. Maybe you could add it when you have time? Unless we have it under a different name that is. I very quickly looked it up on wikipedia, but that seems to have had some dubious recent edits, so I recommend this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polygar_War&oldid=270199427 slightly older revision] of that article. Regards, [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 11:43, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

==[[The Mharwara Battalion]]==
Noticed that the article title and the chronology spell the battalion name differently. Does the article need moving? Also, had noticed this (and some other similar articles) are titled '''The''' etc etc. I wonder if they should be moved for consistency? We don't have The 43rd Regiment of Foot, for example. Thoughts? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:04, 20 May 2009 (PDT)
:Moved. Re other matters - Auxiliary Regts, yes there are an awful lot there! Everything will get done one day, I'm sure. Besides, you are doing a sterling job working out all of the Native regiments. I find them very confusing and I'm sure most other people do too, so I think the pages you've been working on are very important. Re chronol. lists - oh yes, listing the actions in each war is a much better idea. I had noticed you had started doing that in places actually. Re pages you have recently put for deletion - I think I am going to keep Jacob's Horse as a redirect as it is quite possible someone will search for that, I agree with the other's though. Scinde horse might be the same case - is there only one reg called that? [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 12:06, 21 May 2009 (PDT)

== Nizam's Army ==

I've created a category called Hyderabad Contingent as I think those regiments shouldn't only appear in the Indian Army Category (and I assume they would be misplaced under Madras Army). We could probably do with some info on what exactly this contingent was at some point, but no rush. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 10:46, 4 June 2009 (PDT)
:Oh I see, so the Nizam's Regts are ''even more'' confusing than the Madras Regiments (was just doing the checking on your recent changes, I don't know how you're picking your way through those). I only brought this up as I was adding some info to the Secunderabad article and I needed a link to the Hyderabad Contingent (so made a category). I was sort of guessing that the HC was synonymous with the Nizam's Army, but if that is not correct we can amend as necessary. [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vwQHAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0eTwnUwBQlmQrRl&client=firefox-a#PPA237,M1 This] page of the Imperial Gazetteer mentions some stations of the HC.
:As for the naming system you have chosen for the Madras regiments, sounds fine to me. The most important thing surely is picking a system and sticking to it. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 04:54, 5 June 2009 (PDT)

== Tables ==

For a clearer explanation than I can probably give, see [[Help:Tables]]. Obviously get back to me with any questions. I recommend copying [[Help:Tables#cellpadding.3D.2220.22_cellspacing.3D.220.22_border.3D.221.22|this table]]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarahb]] 03:59, 9 June 2009 (PDT)

== Duar War ==

Could you add [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duar_War this] when you have time? Happened across it. Many thanks [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:15, 9 June 2009 (PDT)

== Replies ==

Just had a look through all the maps and they're looking great. A nice thing about the route marked on terrain view is that you can see the army weaving around the mountains. I just think the map instantly makes the whole thing make more sense. Being able to see where all these battles are in relation to each other makes a big difference.

Enjoy your trip, if that is what you are up to. It will be very quiet on here! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:48, 11 June 2009 (PDT)

==Wars==
Hello Sy. It was bothering me that the pages for the wars (mostly category pages, although some of those are getting so full of info they could be converted to articles) didn't have an infobox like the battle pages. It felt like there was something missing. So I have made a basic one ([[:Template:War|here]] and have put two tests at [[:Category:1st Maratha War]] and [[1st Afghan War]]. Could you have a look and see if there is anything else you can think of that would be useful in such a template? Thank you, [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 16:17, 23 July 2009 (PDT)
:Thanks for your thoughts. If at any time you think of anything to be added to the template, it's never too late. Re your first two points, you are right about the formats. Mine are just wrong as I very quickly put two tests up. As for the links section, well that might not be the best title. The subcategories in the box on the 1st Afghan page are the main use I can think of at the moment. Now, I strongly feel that each war should have it's own article, where the infobox would be and all of the other excellent content you've been adding. Once there is a lot of information on the category page, the listed articles all get a bit hidden away at the bottom. As far as I am concerned, articles are for content, categories are for organisation. Anyway, if the infobox was on an article page the link to the category would make sense, although maybe the link title could be 'All battles and actions' or something like that. Keep going as you are though, I will convert them over when I eventually get some time (still haven't finished taking the dates off those categories yet!)
:A few typos every hundred edits aren't many! Anyway, that is what the checking is for. Tiny mistakes are inevitable and often need a second eye. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:09, 24 July 2009 (PDT)

== Chronologies ==

Right, I think you've lost me. I understood what you said on my talk page and I agree that is probably the clearest way to go about things, but I can't quite follow this Predecessor/Successor business. [[12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] for instance, I can't see how the two fit together. Maybe a little line of explanation is needed at the top of each section.

The other matter is the regiments that mutiny. The chronologies stop at the point of mutiny (which obviously I understand). But how, in reality, are (for instance) [[17th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] and [[2nd Gurkha Rifles]] connected? I am ''guessing'' that once the 17th had mutinied that number was then free to be reassigned in 1861, and so there is no actual connection between the regiments. Is that right? If yes, we need some way of making that clear on the 17th's page. We could go with the wikipedia-style method of a little disambiguation line in italics at the top saying 'For the post-1861 regiment of this name, see the 2nd Gurkha Rifles'. It worries me that it's too confusing otherwise.

I see you are getting in a lot of edits before your holiday! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:08, 31 July 2009 (PDT)

== Affghanistan! ==

Do you know, I did wonder for a minute if that was how it should be spelt in that particular case! I thought though it must be a typo as none of the other Afghanistan Battle Honours had the double f. I meant to put "typo, I think" in my edit summary. I absolutely agree that the spellings as they are on the BHs should be used. I'll reverse my 'correction'. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:25, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

== Oude Campaign ==

I see you are bravely sorting out the Mutiny battles! We now seem to have two things listed as the Oude campaign ([[:Category:Oude Campaign]] and [[1st_Bengal_(European)_Fusiliers#Service_in_British_India|the one listed here]]). Is that second, earlier one correct? If so, we will need to distinguish between these two somehow. Ideas? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:17, 10 September 2009 (PDT)

== Madras NI ==

Re a couple of recent edits to:
*[[43rd Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]
*[[44th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]
*[[45th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry]]

Are those italicised notes correct? Obv I do not know, just checking as regiments are MNI and the notes are concerning the BNI. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:39, 14 September 2009 (PDT)

==Image template==
'''[[Template:ImageOL]] or shortcut [[imageol]]'''

I gave it the stupidly difficult to remember title 'Image Origin and License'. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:42, 30 September 2009 (PDT)

==Another template==
Oh, in case this is ever of use to you, I copied a template from wikipedia that allows the table of contents to be right-aligned (useful when it has got very long). I have used it on [[Apothecary]]. You can find it at [[Template:TOC right]]. It probably isn't right for things with an infobox though. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 05:48, 30 September 2009 (PDT)

== Jheeghun ==

Sy, the easting co-ords for [[Battle of Jheeghun]] are missing. I couldn't pinpoint Jhinjhan to fix it myself, sorry [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:29, 5 October 2009 (PDT)

== Amristar photos ==

Nice uploads. Re the license, it's a little bit unclear what you mean. Perhaps change to something like ''external use with author's permission only'' (if that is what you mean) or maybe you might like [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ this license]. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 07:07, 14 October 2009 (PDT)

:License - I'll get back to you about this as I want to check exactly what our policy is supposed to be.

:Massacres - I think if it isn't considered a battle it shouldn't go in that category. The Indian Mutiny events you raise are a good point. Bibigarh and possibly Delhi are not really actions between two armed forces - they can just be in the Indian Mutiny category alone. Not sure about Trimmoo Ghaut. Although an annihilation, if there is fighting involved between recognised parts of the armed forces then perhaps it is a battle? It's fine to have articles on the Mutiny that aren't in the Battles category. So the Massacre at Ajnala article you have written doesn't need to go down as a battle too, just a part of the Indian Mutiny. I don't think we need anything additional, but if you prefer we could always just have Events during the Indian Mutiny or something nonspecific like that.

:Mutinies - yes, I noticed them and did think maybe a new category was needed. You are right they would be strange in the Mutinies category but we can put whatever category we make into Mutinies as well as Indian Mutiny. Btw, it's ok to use the battle infobox on anything you think appropriate as it doesn't specifically mention 'battle' anywhere on the box. Well, we can't call the category Indian Mutiny Mutinies...how about something like 1857 Bengal Army Mutinies? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:38, 14 October 2009 (PDT)

== Battle maps ==

Yes, I can change that link. What do you think is best? A link to [[Maps]] (with a better explanation)? A link to [[:Category:Campaigns with FIBIS Battle Maps]] (with a bit of explanation added)? Or we can make a whole new intermediary page. Also, I'm not sure I quite catch your drift but are you saying you want to change the name from Battlemaps to something else? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 11:46, 15 October 2009 (PDT)

:I actually think you are right and that maybe we should change the name to Campaign maps (even though its less catchy!) as really that is more self-explanatory too. That will involve making a couple of changes to the template (not a problem) and then changing the categories. If you are sure about that then say the word and I'll do the template.

:As for renaming the Battles category Battles and Actions, I do agree it is a more accurate title, but I note there are 650 articles in the category... [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 14:58, 18 October 2009 (PDT)

== Tibet ==
The internal link change I have made affects a recent edit by Maureen Evers - I didn't want you to think I was changing yours! :-)
[[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 19:52, 21 November 2009 (PST)

Tibet Expedition

2009-11-22T03:40:51Z

HughWilding: Better way to link internally

{{War|name=Tibet Expedition |dates=Dec 1903 – Sept 1904 |image=Tibetimage.jpg |location=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet Tibet] |combatant1=British Field Force |combatant2= Tibetan Armed Forces|result=[http://tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties10.html Anglo-Tibetan Agreement of 1904] |medal=[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Medal Tibet Medal]| category=[[:Category:Tibet Expedition|Tibet Expedition]] |link1= }}
{{Battlemap|war=Tibet Expedition 1903-04|link=http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=101241150585833319689.000478a21a9b85b1eee21&ll=28.468691,89.868164&spn=3.515063,5.020752&t=p&z=8 }}

== Summary ==
'''The expedition to [[Tibet]] in 1903-04, also known as the Anglo-Tibet War'''. At the beginning of the 20th century Britain and Russia were competing for influence in Central Asia. To counter the perceived threat, the British sent an expedition under [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Younghusband Francis Younghusband] to negotiate with the Tibetans. The first excursion with Claude White, the Political Officer for Sikkim, to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamber_Jong Khamba Jong] was rebuffed and a field force was dispatched through the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelep_La Jelep Pass]. The Tibetans were defeated at two major battles and the expedition reached Lhasa in August 1904. The Dalai Lama had fled but Younghusband forced a one-sided treaty on the regent which gave Britain trading rights in Tibet. This was later repudiated by the Tibetans.

== Field Force ==
'''First Excursion'''<br>
*200 [[32nd Punjab Pioneers|32nd Pioneers]]
*300 support<br>
'''Mission Escort'''<br>
*Six Coys [[44th Gurkha Rifles|8th Gurkhas]]
*Eight Coys [[23rd Punjab Pioneers|23rd Pioneers]]
*Half Coy 2nd Sappers
*Maxim gun detachment of [[9th Regiment of Foot|Norfolk Regiment]]
*Two 7-pounder guns of 8th Gurkhas
*Two guns No 7 Mountain Battery
*Field Hospital
*Engineer Field Park
*Ammunition Column
*Telegraph, postal and survey detachments<br>
'''Reinforcements'''<br>
*One Wing [[7th Regiment of Foot|Royal Fusiliers]]
*[[40th Regiment of Punjab Infantry|40th Pathans]]
*[[29th Regiment of Punjab Infantry|29th Punjabis]]

== Chronology ==
'''First Excursion'''
{|
|-
| 19 June 1903
| Mission left [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling Darjeeling]
|-
| 21 June
| Reached [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangtok Gangtok]
|-
| 26 June
| Arrived at Tangu
|-
| 4 July
| Claude White (Sikkim Political Officer] left Tangu
|-
| 5 July
| Mr White reached Diagong
|-
| 7 July
| Mr White reached [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamber_Jong Khamba Dzong]
|-
| 18 July
| Younghusband reached Khamba Dzong
|-
| 11 October
| Younghusband left Khamba Dzong for Simla
|}
'''Mission to Lhasa'''
{|
|-
| 5 December 1903
| Mission left [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling Darjeeling]
|-
| 12 December
| Crossed the border at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelep_La Jelep Jelep La] 4267m
|-
| 14 December
| Arrived at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadong_County Yadong]
|-
| 20 December
| Reached [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagri Pagri]
|-
| 7 January 1904
| Crossed the Tang La 4,521 m
|-
| 8 January
| Made camp at Tuna
|-
| 31 March
| [[Battle of Guru|Battle at Guru]]
|-
| 9 April
| [[Action at Tsamdang Gorge]]
|-
| 11 April
| Reached Gyantse
|-
| 5 May
| Tibetan attack at Gyantse
|-
| 7 May
| [[Battle of Karo La]]
|-
| 26 May
| [[Battle of Palla]]
|-
| 6 June
| [[Action at Kangma]]
|-
| 6 July
| [[Battle of Gyantse Dzong|Gyantse Dzong]] stormed
|-
| 14 July
| Mission left Gyantse for Lhasa
|-
| 19 July
| Reached Nagartse
|-
| 24 July
| Crossed the Kampa La 4,794 m
|-
| 31 July
| Crossed the Bramaputra at Chaksam Ferry
|-
| 4 August
| Reached Lhasa
|}

==External links==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet British Expedition to Tibet] Wikipedia
*[http://tibettalk.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/the-younghusband-expedition/ The Younghusband Expedition] tibettalk.wordpress.com
*[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=P7pdbiFCW80C&pg=PP1&dq=India+and+Tibet+Younghusband&as_brr=3#v=onepage&q=&f=false India & Tibet by Francis Younghusband] Google Books
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Younghusband Francis Younghusband] Wikipedia
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=y39xtFqUn5sC&pg=PA364#v=onepage&q=&f=false List of Officers on the Lhasa Mission] Google Books
*[http://intotibet1903-04.blogspot.com/2008/12/2nd-rajput-mess-alipore-calcutta.html 50 Letters from Capt Mainprise] blogspot.com
*[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1beWTgMf4VUC&pg=PA506&lpg=PR506&dq=Chumbi&as_brr=3#v=onepage&q=Chumbi&f=false Chronology of the Expedition] Google Books

== Recommended Reading ==
*'''India and Tibet''', A History of the Relations which have Subsisted between the Two Countries from the Time of Warren Hastings to 1910; with a Particular Account of the Mission to Lhasa of 1904. by Sir Francis Younghusband KCIE. Published by John Murray 1910. Reprinted by LLP 2002. ISBN 81-7536-278-2 [http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924023235108 Archive.org]

*'''Sikhim And Bhutan''', Twenty-one Years On The North-east Frontier 1887-1908. by [[Photographer#Books|J Claude White]]. Published by Asian Educational Services, Delhi 2000. Reprinted by LLP 2008. ISBN 81-7536-164-6 & ISBN 9788175361645, 978-8175361645 [http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924024155206 Archive.org] 1909 edition.

[[Category:Minor Campaigns|Tibet Expedition]]
[[Category:Tibet Expedition| Tibet Expedition]]
[[Category:Campaigns with FIBIS Battle Maps|Tibet Expedition]]

Schools

2009-11-22T03:07:13Z

HughWilding: Typos, redundant internal links

This page lists some former British schools in India, with links to their modern websites, where applicable. If you have information or links to add, please update this page.

For an excellent, well-written book on former British schools in India, please see Hazel Innes Craig's book ''Under the Old School Topee''. Available at the [[British Library]]

== Alphabetical list of schools ==
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[[Image:Baldwin's Boys School.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Baldwin Boys School, Bangalore]]
===B===
*[http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2960/baldwin.htm '''Baldwin Boys' High School'''] [[Bangalore]]. Previously known as the Episcopal Methodist School

*'''[http://home.the-wire.com/~raga/bhs.html Barnes School]''', [[Deolali]]. Deolali (now Devlali) is near Nasik (Nashik), which is northeast of Bombay, across the Ghats. It was formerly a British school, then an Anglo-Indian school. This site contains a history of Barnes School. Also refer [[Orphans]], Bombay. [http://www.telusplanet.net/public/darouxl/Memories.html Barnes School Memories] has some photos of Barnes School, along with other photos of India and Anglo-Indians.

*'''Bethany College''', [[Darjeeling]].

*'''Bishop Cotton School''', [[Darjeeling]].

*'''Bishop Cotton School''', [[Madras]].

*'''Bishop Cotton School''', [[Simla]].
:[http://bishopcottonshimla.com The official website] contains a history of the school. (Simla is now called Shimla.)
:[http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Plaza/6143/contents.htm The unofficial website] has a range of information on modern activities of the school, as well as a brief history of the school.
:[http://www.oldcottonians.org Old Cottonians Association] also has the following:
::[http://www.oldcottonians.org/ocs1863-2004_listing.htm Listing of Boys at the School 1863-2004]
::[http://oldcottonians.org/search_page.htm Search the Names]

*'''Bombay Scottish School''', [[Bombay]]. Established in 1847 as the 'Scottish Female Orphanage', in 1856 as the 'Orphanage for the Sons of Presbyterians', the school was combined in 1863 to become the 'Bombay Scottish Orphanage'.

*'''[http://hebronooty.org/ Breeks]''', [[Ootacamund]], now called '''Hebron School''' (see below).

===C===
*'''Cambrai Hall''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''Carman School''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''Colonel Brown Cambridge School''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''Constancia School''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''Convent of Jesus & Mary''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''Convent of Jesus & Mary''', [[Lahore]].

*'''[http://www.geocities.com/scn_pk/convent_jesus_mary_murree.html Convent of Jesus & Mary]''', [[Murree]].

*''' [http://www.schoolsindia.com/jesusmarymussoorie/home.htm Convent of Jesus & Mary]''', [[Mussoorie]]. Girl’s Catholic School in Waverley established in 1845.

===D===
*'''[http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/3861/alumdarj1.html Darjeeling Schools]'''. John Kinglsey's website provides a list of schools in Darjeeling, along with official websites, where they exist.

*'''Doveton College''', [[Madras]]. Now called the Doveton-Corrie High School.

*'''Dow Hill School''', [[Kurseong]].

*'''[http://www.drgrahamshomes.co.uk/ Dr Graham’s Homes]''', [[Kalimpong]]. The Homes were set up in 1900 by Dr Graham of the Church of Scotland to house, feed, educate and train abandoned Anglo-Indian children. Dr Graham's Homes are still in existence today and this website has many photos of the Homes and the children. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Graham's_Homes Wikipedia]
:*''Domicile and Diaspora: Anglo-Indian Women and the Spatial Politics of Home'' 2006 by Alison Blunt page 115 [http://books.google.com/books?id=YEykMG3QIXMC&pg=PA115 Limited View Google Books] has a reference.
:*''Dr Graham of Kalimpong'' by James R Minto 1974 and 1995. The story of the children’s homes founded for the children of tea workers. The 1974 edition is available at the [[British Library]].
:*''Dr Graham's Homes: a Century of Service'' by Douglas Evans FIBIS Journal No 17 (Spring 2007) For details of how to access this article, see [[FIBIS Journals]]

*'''[[Duke of York's Military School]]'''. A school in Dover, England for sons of soldiers and officers serving in India. This unofficial website is to help ‘Old Boys and Old Girls’ keep in contact via the Internet.

===E===
*'''East Indian Railway School, Oak Grove''', [[Mussoorie]], also called the '''EIR School''' (see Oak Grove School below).

===F===
*'''Fairlawn School''', [[Mussoorie]]. This School was established as the '''Sind, Punjab and Delhi Railway School''' in August 1877 with about 27 pupils. Following extensions about 1880, 45 children (boys and girls) could be accommodated. Later (after January 1886) it was renamed the '''North Western Railway School'''. Following the death of the Headmaster in 1894, the School closed and the boys were transferred to the '''Oak Grove School''' (see below). It is not known (2009) where the girls went.

===G===
*'''Goethals Memorial School'''. Built on the side of a hill in the Himalayan Mountains, Goethals Memorial School is situated near the picturesque town of [[Kurseong]], a district of Darjeeling.

===H===
*'''Hallett War School''', [[Naini Tal]]. Ethel Fowle, aunt of John Fowle, was headmistress 1941-42. A history of the school can be found at the [http://www.birlavidyamandir.com/index.asp Birla Vidyamandir School] website.

*'''[http://hebronooty.org/ Hebron School]''', [[Ootacamund]]. Formerly Breeks and Lushington Boys' School.

===K===
*'''Kodaikanal International School'''. This began as a school for the children of missionaries in 1901.

===L===
*'''Lawrence Schools/Colleges''' at Mount Abu, Ghora Gali, Lovedale and Sanawar, the four [[Lawrence Military Asylum]]s, founded to provide education for the orphans of British soldiers in India.

*'''Lushington Boys' School''', [[Ootacamund]], now called '''Hebron School''' (see above).

===M===
[[Image:La Martiniere College.jpg|thumb|300px|La Martiniere College]]
*'''[http://home.the-wire.com/~raga/lmc.html La Martiniere College]''', [[Lucknow]]. This is David King's website about La Martiniere College in Lucknow.

*'''La Martiniere College''', [[Calcutta]].

*'''Mount Hermon School''', [[Darjeeling]]
:Founded by Emma Knowles and previously called '''Queen's Hill''' (see below).
:[http://oldmhs.com/ Old Mount Hermon Students' Association (UK)] (secretary: Hazel Craig).
:[http://www.success.co.th/mthermon/ Another alumni (unofficial) website].
:[http://homepage.mac.com/kshagen/IndiaTrip/PhotoAlbum10.html Photos taken in 2003] by Karl Hagen.

===N===
*'''North Western Railway School, Fairlawn''', [[Mussoorie]]. See '''Fairlawn School''' above.

===O===
*'''[http://www.oakgrove-jharipani.com Oak Grove School]''', [[Mussoorie]]. Official school website includes a history. This School was originally known as the '''East Indian Railway School, Oak Grove''' and still has a strong railway connection. In 1894 it took over the boys from the '''Fairlawn School''' (see above) which was situated nearby, when the headmaster of Fairlawn died. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Grove_School_(Jharipani,_Mussoorie,_India) Wikipedia].

===P===
*'''Philander Smith College''', [[Mussoorie]]. Founded by the American Methodist Episcopal Missionary Society.

===Q===
*'''Queen's Hill'''. Founded by Emma Knowles. Later called '''Mount Hermon''' (see above).

===S===
*'''Station School''', [[Rawalpindi]]

*'''St Denys' School''', [[Murree]]. Anglican girls school established 1882. Dr Ali Jan's [http://www.geocities.com/scn_pk/st_denys_murree.html site] has photos and memories. Partly destroyed by a fire in November 2009.

*'''St Helen's School''', [[Kurseong]]. Also includes '''Goethal's Memorial College''' (see above).

*'''[http://www.st-georges.info/ St George's College]''', [[Mussoorie]], near [[Dehra Dun]]. Founded by the Capuchin Fathers in 1854, it has been run by the Patrician Brothers, a Catholic order, since 1894.

*'''St Joan's School''', [[Kashmir]]. Ethel Fowle, aunt of John Fowle, was headmistress 1943-45.

*'''St Joseph's Academy''', [[Dehra Dun]].

*'''St Joseph's Boys High School''', [[Bangalore]].

*'''St Joseph's Boys High School''', [[Vepery]], [[Madras]].

*'''St Joseph's Boys Higher Secondary Schoool''', [[Coonoor]]. A school founded and run by the Patrician Brothers, a Catholic order.

*'''[http://www.sursumcorda.org/ St Joseph's College]''', [[Darjeeling]]. The official school website. [http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pines/1045/ St Joseph's College, Darjeeling] - Arijit Sen's website.

*'''St Lawrence High School''', [[Calcutta]]. Formerly known as the '''Lower Orphan School''', Free School Street, Calcutta.

*'''[http://www.dgrc.ca/sms/directry.htm St Mary’s High School]''', [[Mount Abu]]. This webpage has lists of the students in attendance at St Mary’s High School in various years.
[[Image:School crest.jpg|right|thumb|200px|School Crest of St Paul's School, Jalapahar]]

*'''[http://www.spsasansol.com/ St Patrick’s]''', [[Asansol]]. This is the official website of the school.

*'''[http://www.zubin.com/paulites/ St Paul's, Jalapahar]''', [[Darjeeling]]. A very expensive school, attended by the children of the highest Imperial officials. This link is to Zubin Medora's website.

*'''St Teresa's Girls' High School''', [[Darjeeling]].

*'''[http://www.svsasansol.com/ St Vincent’s School]''', [[Asansol]]. This is the official school website.

*'''St Xavier's School''', [[Amhedabad]].

*'''Sind, Punjab and Delhi Railway School,''' [[Mussoorie]]. See '''Fairlawn School''' above.

===V===
*'''[http://www.orbonline.net/~auballan/vicdow.htm Victoria School and Dow Hill School]''', [[Kurseong]]. This is the website of The Old Boys and Old Girls Association of Victoria School and Dow Hill School.

*'''[http://www.vsdh.org/vsdh.html Victoria School]''', [[Kurseong]]. This is the website of former student, John Feltham.

===W===
*'''Wellesley Girls High School''', [[Naini Tal]]. Founded by Emma Knowles, who also founded '''Mount Hermon''' (see above). Boys attended until their 9th birthday.

*'''[http://www.woodstock.ac.in/ Woodstock School]''', Landour, [[Mussoorie]]. Founded in 1854 as the "Protestant Girls' School," Woodstock passed through several [http://www.woodstock.ac.in/info/downloads/content/SchoolDocs/WShistory.pdf manifestations] (girls school, finishing school, college) before emerging as one of the leading international schools in India with a significant roll of expatriates. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_School Wikipedia].

*'''[http://www.wynbergallen.com/ Wynberg-Allen School]''', [[Mussoorie]], was opened in 1887 with a Nonconformist leaning and moved to the Wynberg estate in 1894. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wynberg_Allen_School Wikipedia].

==See also==
*[[Orphan Schools in Madras]]

==Other Resources==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia] has articles on many schools in India (of varying quality). An [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_India incomplete list of schools] is also available.
*''The Magic Mountains: Hill Stations and the British Raj'' by Dane Kennedy, 1996 contains information in Chapter 6 about schools. [http://www.escholarship.org/editions/view?docId=ft396nb1sf&brand=ucpress University of California Press]
*''Problematic spaces, problematic races: defining 'Europeans' in late colonial India'' by Elizabeth Buettner. Article in Women's History Review, Volume 9, Issue 2 June 2000, pages 277 – 298. [http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/ftinterface~db=all~content=a768371327~fulltext=713240930 Read] the article in Women's History Review, Volume 9, Issue 2 June 2000, pages 277 – 298. Mentions schooling.

=== Making Contact ===
*[http://www.batchmates.com/ Batchmates] This is a site where you can register your interest in a particular school in India that you attended in youth.
*[http://www.alumni.net/Asia/India/ Indian Alumni] This is a website to help alumni of Indian schools make contact with each other.

[[Category:Education]]

Action at Tsamdang Gorge

2009-11-20T22:43:54Z

HughWilding: Typo

{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[Tibet Expedition]]
|date=9 April 1904
|location=Tsamdang Gorge, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xigazê_Prefecture Shigatse Prefecture], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet Tibet]
|presidency=
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=28.684315,89.65695&z=13&t=h&hl=en 28.684315°N 89.65695°E]
|result=British victory
|territory=
|combatant1=British Indian Army
|combatant2=Tibetan Army
|commander1=[http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101034705/ Brig-Gen James Macdonald CB]
|commander2=
|strength1=
|strength2=
|casualties1=
|casualties2=
}}

== Summary ==
The Tibetans had built a wall across a narrow defile on the route to Gyantse. General Macdonald dislodged them, inflicting heavy loss.

[[Category:Battles|Tsamdang Gorge, Action at]]
[[Category:Tibet Expedition|Tsamdang Gorge, Action at]]

Battle of Karo La

2009-11-20T22:42:48Z

HughWilding: Typos

{{Battles_Infobox
|partof=[[Tibet Expedition]]
|date=7 May 1904
|location=Karo La (Pass), [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarzê_County Nagarze County], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannan_Prefecture Shannan Prefecture], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet Tibet]
|presidency=
|co-ordinates=[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=28.89609,90.157006&z=13&t=h&hl=en 28.89609°N 90.157006°E]
|result=British victory
|territory=
|combatant1=British Indian Army
|combatant2=Tibetan Army
|commander1=Colonel Brander
|commander2=
|strength1= about 400
|strength2= 2,500
|casualties1=
|casualties2=
}}

== Summary ==
The Tibetans had built a loopholed wall 800 yards long across the pass. At an altitude of 16,000 feet, Brander's frontal attack failed but the Gurkhas turned the blockade by climbing to 18,000 feet and the Tibetans retreated, pursued by the mounted infantry.

== Field Detachment ==
*Three Coys [[32nd Punjab Pioneers|32nd Pioneers]]
*One Coy [[44th Gurkha Rifles|8th Gurkhas]]
*Two Maxim guns
*Two 7-pounder guns

== External Links ==
[http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/105754744 Karo La photo] www.pbase.com
[[Category:Battles|Karo La, Battle of]]
[[Category:Tibet Expedition|Karo La, Battle of]]

Talk:Chitral

2009-11-17T09:36:39Z

HughWilding: More on style

The 8 November edit by Rzafar has changed the link for Pakistan in the Location Infobox from an internal link to an external Wikipedia link. I understood that the preference is to always make an internal link where possible. The Fibiwiki Pakistan internal link has more information relevant to FIBIS and should have (but doesn't) a link on to Wikipedia. What do the moderators think?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 02:22, 8 November 2009 (PST)

:I am the guilty party here because I have asked Rzafar to change the links on the "Present Day Details" section of the Locations Infobox to point to the relevant Wikipedia articles. I have always done this on every Location Infobox I have either initiated or edited on the basis that the content of the FibiWiki articles is never going to be as comprehensive as the corresponding Wikipedia ones, and that much of the FibiWiki content will end circa 1947. It is also unlikely that anyone will get round to creating FibiWiki articles for every Indian, Pakistani, Banlgadeshi, Nepalese or Burnese state or province. At present, when reviewing the Pakistani locations, it looks as if there is redundancy because the External links section will also carry a Wikipedia link but these are generally just to the location article, not the state/province or the country.
:[[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 16:44, 8 November 2009 (PST)

::Forgive me if I disagree with you here Hugh. It must be sensible to have the tightest links in the Fibiwiki. Not to lead our users between associated pages is illogical and a waste of the time of those who have produced those pages. Use Chitral as an example:<br>
::The Chitral Campaign article has a link in the Location field to the Chitral location page. It also has an internal link to the Chitral Campaign category page which lists the actions and links internally to the NWF Campaigns. It also has an external link to the Chitral Expedition Wikipedia page. The Chitral location page has an external link in the Place Name field to the Chitral Wikipedia page. (It also has the same link under External Links which is redundant and should be removed.)<br>
::The Siege and Relief of Chitral article should follow the same logic. The argument that the Wikipedia article is fuller and goes beyond 1947 is irrelevant as long as the external link is provided on the Location page at the end of the search chain. Otherwise there would be no point in creating Fibiwiki Location pages. They are there because they provide something which the Wikipedia page does not i.e. British India information linked to the Fibiwiki database.<br>
::--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:45, 13 November 2009 (PST)

:::Oh, I've just caught up with this discussion. This is a bit of a difficult one. I am of the opinion that where we have an inhouse article on a topic it should be linked to. If we farm people straight out to Wikipedia we are not showing them what content we do have or encouraging them to add to it! However, there are a few points relating to external links I hadn't thought of until now.

:::So, on the battles pages we should almost always have a Fibiwiki article to link to as the places named there are relevant in the British era. I think it makes perfect sense for places in the military infoboxes to link to our articles. The Locations articles are a different matter though. The sections where Hugh is suggesting WP links are those relating to modern day details. What content will we ever have for inhouse articles on, say, [[Andhra Pradesh]] or [[Karnataka]], other than a link to WP? Perhaps the Military and Locations projects need different rules for their infoboxes.

:::Thoughts? [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 13:03, 13 November 2009 (PST)

::This is the approach which I think logical. On pages dealing with British India subjects (battles, wars, armies) the default should be an internal link to a Fibiwiki page where it exists. Once we get to Locations then the WP link gives the wider modern context.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:10, 15 November 2009 (PST)

:Good, so we are in agreement!

:I wonder if I can touch on another matter? I have no wish to offend, Sy, but you are one who likes to use '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' instead of normal carriage returns in your text. This causes two problems, the first being that this makes review of the text more difficult than it need be for moderators. But I can live with it!

:The second is more important. In its auto formatting of text, the wiki software depends on the modern style of block paragraphs. This convention separates paragraphs by a single line, visually making blocks of text much easier to follow. (A double carriage return achives this.) If you look at our exchange of comments above, I hope you will see what I mean.

:I fully accept that <nowiki><br></nowiki> has its place. It has to be used within an Infobox to force separate lines and it is more space efficient within the long lists that are a feature of the orders of battle, campaign forces etc. But your reading public will appreciate the descriptions being broken up into visually distinctive units. I also think the wiki software generally does a good job in balancing the text with the whitespace.

:Apologies for raising this here but I have been meaning to discuss this for some time.

:[[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 01:39, 16 November 2009 (PST)

::Right, well on the subject infobox links that is wikipedians call a consensus. A three man vote ;-) I will make a note on the Locations project page. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:55, 16 November 2009 (PST)

== Line Breaks ==

As you know, I come from the blundering amateur school of editing. The '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' was a work-around which I started to use when I realised that the return key does not produce a line break. It does of course make a line break when viewed in edit mode and of late I have done that in external link lists so they are easier to read when you amend them. Have a look at the Chitral article in edit mode.

A double return produces a line space and this is fine as a paragraph maker in a block of text. However it is less satisfactory in an external link or field force list as they are quite clear single spaced and double spacing lengthens the page unnecessarily. My preference is to see everything on the page on screen at once. I accept that this wont be possible when viewed on your iPhone or Blackberry.

I already use bullet points for field force lists. I propose using indent colons for external link lists to retain the single spacing. Is that OK?

One other thing. Many months go I was told (I can't remember by whom) that the correct format for an external link is with the source after the link (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitral Chitral] Wikipedia). I have therefore gradually been altering my pages as I revisit them. Lately I have noticed other variants such as
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitral Chitral], Wikipedia
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitral Chitral] ''Wikipedia''
:[http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/schwartzberg/fullscreen.html?object=099 Schwartzberg Historical Atlas - Indian Mutiny Map]

Can we have a ruling again please?

BTW I am not in the least offended that you have raised this. It all helps us to be consistent. I am much more fussed however when you alter my Latin tags and introduce superfluous italics!

Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:43, 16 November 2009 (PST)

::I think the best reason for phasing out the break tag is that it is a bit obscure for inexperienced users. Wiki formatting is much easier for anyone to understand. I agree with Hugh that we should stick to the word processing convention of a line between paragraphs. I do think you always do that though, Sy, but I have seen it slip in elsewhere on the wiki. Apart from external links and infoboxes, the only places I notice you use them now are for formatting some lists which would require a table otherwise. I think just avoid the use where possible.

::For lists of external links, I am in favour of bulleting them a la Wikipedia where all lists are bulleted. This also keeps single spacing. [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:55, 16 November 2009 (PST)

==Format of links, italics etc==
Just making a seperate section for the other point Sy was making above (although I'm sure Chitral isn't the place for this discussion!)

Italics - having learnt wiki editing on Wikipedia, I have followed their italicising conventions here. I will change that if we decide, but their rules are quite straightforward ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28titles%29 WP: MOS Titles]).

External links - For reference, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links WP:External links]. I do not know the convention of putting the source after the link, but put (for instance) Wikipedia as a description of the external link.

I personally think it is ok to change the format to fit the type of link, provided some basic standards apply. I would like:
*link at beginning of line
*blue link text to be the title of the webpage or book linked to (or some other appropriate title - our own made up one if the page doesn't really have a useful one)
*subsequent black text to describe material linked to, can name the website if appropriate

So, for example:
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_Army History of the British Army] Wikipedia
*[http://www.angelfire.com/mp/memorials/memindz1.htm Stephen Lewis' Soldiers Memorials] lists NCO and other ranks graves in India by surname, amongst other memorials. [http://www.redcoat.info/memindex3.htm Officers Died] is the equivalent commissioned ranks site.
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=6OcKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR6 ''Camp and Barrack-room, Or, The British Army as It Is''] by John Mercier McMullen, a late Staff Sergeant of the 13th Light Infantry (1846)

Anything that really wouldn't work like that can be formatted in whatever way will work.

I think I'm losing the thread of what I'm saying so will wit for other's comments! [[User:Sarahb|Sarah]] 12:55, 16 November 2009 (PST)

:Wow! I knew there had to be one, but ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28titles%29 WP: MOS Titles]) leads into the whole Wikipedia Manual of Style and it just sucks you in!

:Firstly I apologise about altering "status quo ante" to ''status quo ante bellum''. The latter is the original source of the former and in the context it just struck me as appropriate to use. I italicised because the full phrase is in Latin and such is the convention - in fact, since the FibiWiki will be read by a significant number of readers for whom English is not their first language, this is a very helpful convention to observe fully - more so than Wikipedia suggests. If we ever get around to writing our own manual of style, we need to remember this.

:Secondly, I am not sure that Wikipedia is itself consistent (but I haven't read enough of its MOS so must be careful). When I got going seriously on family history (about 1997), I realised that I needed to learn about how to cite sources and create bibliographies. To cut a long journey short, I ended up with the work of an American genealogist, Elizabeth Shown Mills, the then editor of the ''NGS Journal'', who clearly laid out a system that was based on the ''Chicago Manual of Style'' but adapted to meet the needs of genealogists and family historians who draw information largely from unpublished or private papers and sources.

:Wikipedia's own MOS seems to draw on the Chicago MOS which is helpful. When citing a work, the convention is: Author, ''Title'' (publishing history), text reference. With an encyclopedia, the convention is: (Author if known,) "Entry", ''Title'' (publishing history), ref. So a typcal citation looks like: "East Indian Railway", ''Encylopedia Indiana'', 12 Volumes (Maidenhead: Wilding Press, 2009), 5:10-15. (The very last bit is the specific volume plus pages - English, as opposed to American practice, still tends to spell it out i.e. "Vol 5, pp 10-15". Whoops! too much detail.)

:So for a reference or note to a Wikipedia article, I would use:
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_Army "History of the British Army"], ''Wikipedia'' (accessed 17 November 2009). [The accessed date serves as the date the information was "published" to me.]
:and the reason I have drawn you down this route is that there is a fundamental difference between our FibiWiki and Wikipedia in that much of our material is going to be original research which is anathema to Wikipedia. So at some time, we are going to have to agree a citation style and police it. Unfortunately, the inbuilt referencing tools have not yet been implemented in our version of the wiki software and we must wait until they are. I continue to make noises in the right quarter (not Valmay, I hasten to add).

:I accept that citations are not the saem as external links but it does help to explain why my external links often look like:
:*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_Army "History of the British Army"], ''Wikipedia''.
:*Terry Case, [http://shankardubai.tripod.com/carman.htm "Hal Hughes' family page"], ''North Western Railway''.
:but I am inconsistent and I know I often am with that comma separator after the link symbol.

:So when I have that odd weekend, I will get stuck into the Wikipedia MOS!
:[[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 01:36, 17 November 2009 (PST)

Talk:Chitral

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Category:Rewah Campaign

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'''Campaign Commander:''' [http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101018225/ '''Maj Gen Gabriel Martindell''']

== External Links ==
[http://uqconnect.net/~zzhsoszy/ips/r/rewah.html Rewa Princely State] uqconnect.net<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewa_(princely_state) Rewa] Wikipedia<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewa,_India Rewa] Wikipedia<br>
[http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=24.52989,81.294818&z=12&t=h&hl=en Rewa] Google Maps<br>
[http://books.google.com/books?id=IcSFQ7mb2kAC&pg=PA195&dq=Rewah&ei=6n5GSaX9MoTOlQS-oJydBw#PPA195,M1 Treaties between British Govt and State of Rewah] Google Books<br>
[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wG0BAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA135&dq=Rewa+1813&ei=84FGSY_9BY60kAT40rjoBg#PPA135,M1 Rewa Campaign] Google Books<br>
[http://books.google.com/books?id=wl4OAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA316&dq=Rewah&ei=Yq9bSYGGDIHCzgTB0ei-CA#PPA316,M1 Description of Rewah and Reference to 1813 Campaign] Google Books<br>

[[Category:Minor Campaigns|Rewah Campaign]]

Ghora Gali

2009-11-16T08:52:03Z

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{{Locations_Infobox
|presidency=[[Bengal (Presidency)|Bengal]]
|image=
|coordinates= [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.83,73.35&spn=0.3,0.3&t=m&q=33.83,73.35 33.83, 73.35]
|altitude= 1,691 m (5,500 ft)
|presentname= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali]
|stateprovince= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_Frontier_Province North West Frontier Province]
|country= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan]
}}

'''Ghora Gali''' was a hill station, located in [[Abbottabad tehsil]], [[Hazara District]], [[North West Frontier Province]] (NWFP), close to [[Murree]], another hill station.

==Education==
* One of the [[Schools#L|Lawrence Schools]] (now Lawrence College) was founded here in 1860 to provide education for the orphans of British soldiers in India.

==Business==
* The Murree Brewery was estalished here in 1860. There is a contemporary [http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll/other/019pho0000050s1u00033000.html photograph] of the brewery held in the ''Bellew Collection'' at the British Library. The building was destroyed during the Partition riots in 1947.

==Externall Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali] ''Wikipedia''.

[[Category:Locations]]
[[Category:Cities, towns and villages in Bengal Presidency]]
[[Category:Hill Stations]]

Ghora Gali

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{{Locations_Infobox
|presidency=[[Bengal (Presidency)|Bengal]]
|image=
|coordinates= [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.83,73.35&spn=0.3,0.3&t=m&q=33.83,73.35 33.83, 73.35]
|altitude= 1,691 m (5,500 ft)
|presentname= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali]
|stateprovince= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_Frontier_Province North West Frontier Province]
|country= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan]
}}

'''Ghora Gali''' was a hill station, located in [[Abbottabad tehsil]], [[Hazara District]], [[North West Frontier Province]] (NWFP), close to [[Murree]], another hill station.

==Education==
* One of the [[Schools#L|Lawrence Schools]] (now Lawrence College) was founded here in 1860 to provide education for the orphans of British soldiers in India.

==Business==
* The [[Murree]] Brewery was estalished here in 1860. There is a contemporary [http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll/other/019pho0000050s1u00033000.html photograph] of the brewery held in the ''Bellew Collection'' at the British Library. The building was destroyed during the Partition riots in 1947.

==Externall Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali] ''Wikipedia''.

[[Category:Locations]]
[[Category:Cities, towns and villages in Bengal Presidency]]
[[Category:Hill Stations]]

Ghora Gali

2009-11-16T08:50:24Z

HughWilding: Add co-ords, explain link, wikify external link, typos

{{Locations_Infobox
|presidency=[[Bengal (Presidency)|Bengal]]
|image=
|coordinates= [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.83,73.35&spn=0.3,0.3&t=m&q=33.83,73.35 33.83, 73.35]
|altitude= 1,691 m (5,500 ft)
|presentname= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali]
|stateprovince= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_Frontier_Province North West Frontier Province]
|country= [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan Pakistan]
}}

'''Ghora Gali''' was a hill station, located in [[Abbottabad tehsil]], [[Hazara District]], [[North West Frontier Province]] (NWFP), close to [[Murree]], another hill station.

==Education==
* One of the [[Schools#L|Lawrence Schools]] (now Lawrence College) was founded here in 1860 to provide education for the orphans of British soldiers in India.

==Business==
* The [[Murree]] Brewery was estalished here in 1860. There is a contemporary[http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll/other/019pho0000050s1u00033000.html photograph] of the brewery held in the ''Bellew Collection'' at the British Library. The building was destroyed during the Partition riots in 1947.

==Externall Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghora_Gali Ghora Gali] ''Wikipedia''.

[[Category:Locations]]
[[Category:Cities, towns and villages in Bengal Presidency]]
[[Category:Hill Stations]]

Medal Rolls

2009-11-16T02:00:56Z

HughWilding: typos

The [[medals]] article has details of medals awarded for various military campaigns. Most of the nominal medal rolls for these awards are at the [[British Library]]. Many of the rolls are reprinted in books on the open access shelves. Details of the [[India Office Records]]' reference numbers can be found at [http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Medal_Rolls_in_the_India_Office_Library Your Archives - Medal Rolls in the India Office Library].

==FIBIS resources==
Medal roll transcriptions:
*[http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_components&id=141&s_id=67 China Campaign, 1842 (Madras Artillery & Staff only)] - 495 recipients of the medal for the [[1st China War]].
*[http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=browse_components&id=169&s_id=67 Indian Mutiny Medal Roll (British Forces) 1857-1859] Over 50,000 names of [[British Army]] soldiers awarded medals after the [[Indian Mutiny]], transcribed by Kevin Asplin.

==External links==
*Iain Stewart’s [http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/vcross.htm The Victoria Cross] has the following pages in relation to India:
:*[http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/ccinarvc.htm Honorable East India Company and Indian Army Holders of the Victoria Cross]
:*[http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/ggwwbur.htm Burial Locations in India of Victoria Cross holders]
*''[http://www.naval-military-press.com/india-general-service-medal-1895-casualty-roll..html India General Service Medal 1895 Casualty Roll]'' compiled by Anthony Farrington can be purchased from the Naval And Military Press. The listing includes a pdf preview of the first 15 pages of the book with some names. A 1987 edition of this book is available at the [[British Library]].

[[Category:Research methods]]
[[Category:Military]]

British Army

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The '''British Army''' is the land-based forces of the United Kingdom. The British Army was heavily involved in Imperial affairs in India and most regiments (both infantry and cavalry) served in India at some point. Throughout the nineteenth century, a significant number of British troops were stationed at India at any one time. In 1847, for instance, around 20% of British Army regiments were on the sub-continent.

A British man, or man of British descent could also be a soldier/officer in one of the [[Presidency Armies]]. These were seperate from the British Army, instead consisting of regiments formed by the [[East India Company]] and under their control.

==Regiments==
Any regiment name prefaced by the initials H.M. (''Her'' or ''His Majesty's'') is a British Army regiment, although the term is not strictly applied, especially amongst the ecclesiastical records. These regiments may be referred to as "Royal Regiments".

Regiments are divided across several arms of the army, these being the Cavalry (who fought mounted on horseback), the Infantry (soldiers who fought on foot) and the support arms such as the Artillery (who used weaponry such as canons and large guns) and the Engineers construction, demolition, surveying etc.)

The article [[History of British Army Infantry Regiments]] is a general history of the origin and development of the infantry regiments and explains some of the reforms that took place.

*To browse British Army regiments, see [[List of HM Regiments]].
*To browse the Infantry category, see [[:Category:British Army Infantry Regiments|British Army Infantry Regiments]]
*To browse the Cavalry category, see [[:Category:British Army Cavalry Regiments|British Army Cavalry Regiments]]
*To browse the Artillery category, see [[:Category:British Army Artillery Regiments|British Army Artillery Regiments]]

The cap badges of a few regiments can be found in [[:Category:Cap badge images|Cap badge images]].

===Regiment names terminology===
Regiments, especially prior to the twentieth century, were not named in a uniform manner and the historical terminology used can be unfamiliar to a beginning researcher. Some common terms and the regiment types they apply to can be found below.

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
!width="90"|Term
!width="120"|Regiment type
|-
|[[Dragoon]]s ||[[Cavalry]]
|-
|Foot || [[Infantry]]
|-
|Fusiliers || Infantry
|-
|Grenadier || Infantry
|-
|[[Hussar]]s || Cavalry
|-
|[[Lancer]]s || Cavalry
|-
|Life Guards || Cavalry
|-
|Rifles || Infantry
|}

==Wars and campaigns==
The British Army were involved in numerous wars, campaigns and battles in India and the surrounding region. The Fibiwiki has a [[Chronological list of wars and campaigns]].

*To browse wars in the region, see the [[:Category:Wars and Campaigns|Wars and Campaigns]] category.
*To browse battles, see the [[:Category:Battles|Battles]] category.

==Records==
<small>'''See also''' - [[Military reading list]] and Occupation:[[Soldier]]</small>

There are various sources of information for finding out about a man in the British Army. For a comprehensive description of sources available in the India Office Records, see Peter Bailey's article in [http://members.fibis.org/archive/J13.pdf FIBIS Journal 13].

===Military records===
Unlike those of the presidency armies, muster rolls for British Army regiments stationed in India are not at the British Library but are instead at [[The National Archives]] at Kew in London. Discharge papers (usually contains service/attestation information) and pension records may also be found at TNA. Discharge papers up to 1854 are listed alphabetically by name and can be searched online. Copies (paper or digital) of TNA records can be ordered by distance for a fee. Another useful TNA source may be the WO22 subseries ''Army and other pensions paid out locally in India, Ceylon and China''. The National Archives is working with findmypast.com to scan and place online two series of records: WO 97 (Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers' Service Documents 1760-1913) and WO 96 (War Office: Militia Attestation Papers 1806-1915). The aim is to have all the records online by 2011. This India List [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2009-10/1255209460 link] is about WO 97 documents.

===Ecclesiatical returns===
If the man married, had children or died out on the Sub-continent then records of these occurences can often be found in the India Office [[Church records]]. However, some regimental chaplains only filed their BMDs with the [[General Register Office]] in London and certificates of these army returns can be obtained via them by ordering them [http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates online]. The British Army Overseas Indexes can be found in genealogical libraries, the National Archives and searched on various websites including findmypast.com and familyrelatives.com. Also refer [[Chaplains Returns]].

Note that if a record is available both in the [[Church records]] and in the [[General Register Office]] records, the latter may contain more information, at least for some time periods. By way of example, in 1903 the additional information was the nationalities of the groom and bride, and the occupations of the fathers of the groom and bride.

===Other sources===
Additional sources include:
*1911 England and Wales Census.<br>British Army personnel in India, together with their families appeared for the first time in an England and Wales Census in 1911.<br> [http://www.1911census.co.uk Search] the 1911 census data.

*[[Medal Rolls]]

==See also==
*[[:Category:Military Terms]]
*[[:Category:Military ranks]]
*[[:Category:Church records]]
*[[Courts-martial]]

==External links==
===Encyclopedia articles===
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_Army History of the British Army] ''Wikipedia''.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recruitment_in_the_British_Army Recruitment in the British Army] ''Wikipedia''.
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Army_regiments_(1881) British Army Regiments 1881 (The Childers Reforms)] ''Wikipedia''.

===Other===
*[http://www.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy/india/indexes/index.htm Indian portion of ''In Search of Forlorn Hope'' by John M Kitzmiller] - lists the location/year of all British regiments that served in India and related regions.
*[http://www.angelfire.com/mp/memorials/memindz1.htm Stephen Lewis' Soldiers Memorials] lists NCO and other ranks graves in India by surname, amongst other memorials. [http://www.redcoat.info/memindex3.htm Officers Died] is the equivalent commissioned ranks site.
*Kevin Asplin’s site [http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html The Asplin Military History Resources], which is about British Army history in the Victorian era, includes pages relevant to the British Army in India.
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/britregiments Britregiments] is a [[Mailing lists|mailing list]] for general questions about British Regiments (including those in the Indian Army). Their website says “Questions about a unit's history, movements, heritage, practices and regalia are most welcome and encouraged”.
*A helpful website which has closed is ''regiments.org'', here is the [http://web.archive.org/web/20080116091340/www.regiments.org/nations/europe/uk.htm Archived Site].

===Historical books online===
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=n1ABAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''Strength, Composition and Organization of the Army of Great Britain''] by Capt Martin Petrie (1864).
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=6OcKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PR6 ''Camp and Barrack-room, Or, The British Army as It Is''] by John Mercier McMullen, a late Staff Sergeant of the 13th Light Infantry (1846).

[[Category:British Army| ]]

[[Category:Armies]]

Metre gauge

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Metre gauge

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Broad gauge

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