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== Indian Army Jheeghun ==Sorry. I have added fixed the coordinates. Jheeghun is described as 17 miles from Chutterpore (BritishChhatarpur) to your edit of "Category:Indian Army" to distinguish it from Indian Army 1858-95 and . You probably noticed that by mapping the post-Independence Indian Army both of which you find if you Google "Indian Army"Nerbudda Fild Force route I finally pinpointed Kurrereah as Kararia. I also found the informative Wikipedia page "Indian Army 1895-1947" which I have added managed to external links. Hope you approvecorrect Bhowragarh location.Small triumphs!--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0502:2115, 24 March 6 October 2009 (PDT)

It's all beinning to look a lot more coherent.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 02:10, 25 March 2009 (PDT) == Skinner's Horse Amritsar ==Naively I thought that if it is in Google Books we are in liked the clear! However we come back to that old problem photo of the difference between copyright in USA and UK. Dictionary of Indian Biography young Sikhs around the Jallianwala Bagh fountain even if it is a snippet when viewed herenot "historical". It may or may not be in full view in the US. Phyllis Danko who has been part of the Battles research has sent me PDFs available as downloads from Google Books which are full view for her in New Hampshire but 's a snipppet for mesobering place to visit. Here's the conundrum: if SHE edits the FIBIwiki, can she use material that is copyright for her but not As for UK? If I edit the FIBIwiki using the pdflicence, am I breaking copyright? Would it make any difference if FIBIS were American based? Globalisation brings such problems. But we need to have the answer.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 02:10, 25 March 2009 (PDT) :Leave it to me Guv. you know I'll do it today.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:36, 28 March 2009 (PDT)== BACSA link m pretty hazy on RRL Cemeteries this subject.I will go with whatever you think appropriate.. ==<br> Hi SarahSorry, but I am not happy about you forcing people to do Is the Massacre a two-step to get to the BACSA website. The internal link adds no real value. It is far better for folk who are interested bit too one sided to be able to go straight to under Battles? We have the horse's mouthDelhi massacre in that category. Note that We also have the link Battle of Trimmoo Ghaut which should be to the BACSA mainpage and not to their publications page. The point of the link is to provide info on BACSA; I've listed the publications. Their list of transcription titles was produced by called a not very good scan and at massacre as John Nicholson annihilated the moment contains a number of typos46th BNI.So the question Again there is: will you restore the external link or may I?Regards [[User:EleanorNeil|EleanorNeil]] 09:16, 25 March 2009 Cawnpore (PDTBibigarh) Thanks for reverting the BACSA link Sarah. I have which was no connection with BACSA battle but I do know that John Kendall, who is our FIBIS database person, was doing a search facility for BACSA. I think that what you have found is the prototype (his company is Frontis)slaughter of helpless prisoners. Also I would think that it would be sensible to wait until it is properly tied in am about to the main BACSA site before we made any links. There are write a couple of fellow-FIBIS trustees who are also BACSA folk and I could make enquiries if you wish. Would you also revert the info and link page for the BACSA archival files at destruction of the British Library. The reason it appeared so clumsily setup 26th BNI which was wiped out of necessityat Ajnala after surrendering. The link you set up was session dependent, so if you try it now it will not work. Sadly there appears to be no way around this, which is why I opted for my method.Regards[[User:EleanorNeil|EleanorNeil]] 13Maybe we should have a Category:02, 25 March 2009 (PDT)  Sarah I appreciate your interest. I am an old-fashioned librarian and thus slightly obsessive about detail, Outrages but mistakes still happen so it is nice to know that someone is keeping a watchful eye on my workdangerously subjective.A FIBIS policy decision?<br>[[User:EleanorNeil|EleanorNeil]] 10:33, 27 March 2009 (PDT) == Page title/web search ==Following our earlier discussion on the best title to encourage hits on the web I have been looking at the Regiment titles. The most obvious search term being the shortest, people are likely to look for say "61st Bengal Infantry" or "69th Punjabis". A large number of our titles have Regiment e.g. "38th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry". I don't think we need 'Regiment of' in the title except perhaps for the Britsh Army Infantry but even 2nd Regiment of Foot is likely to be entered as 2nd Foot. There is also made a mixed approach here. What do you think is the best course?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:02, 25 March 2009 (PDT) And another point. Many titles have extra detail in brackets such as (Hodson's Horse) or (Seaforth Highlanders). Should we be shortening these?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:10, 25 March 2009 (PDT) == Church Details ==This from today's India List. http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/10/stories/2009031052220200.htm Can we nick it for FIBIWIKI?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 05:58, 26 March 2009 (PDT) :Thanks few pages recently for doing this. I hope you don't mind me leaving these things to you. I don't feel confident enough to put stuff in the right place.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:35, 28 March 2009 (PDT) == 19th Regiment outbreak of Foot ==Wanting to add Chronology to this page I found a long article derived from Cathy Day's Website. In order to separate the article from the other content I have done some recasting mutiny at various locations. I have put them under Indian Mutiny obviously but also removed the request to contact the author (it doesn't seem appropriate for under Battles and used the Fibiwiki)Battle Info Box. I hope this is not going to upset anyone.<br>One thing I couldnThey can't do. The heading "Known as Green Howards" should be really go under the title and not part of the contents box. How do you do that?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:30, 26 March 2009 (PDT) :Thanks for looking this over.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:33, 28 March 2009 (PDT) == Belwar Fort ==There is a page for Belwar in Locations Mutinies as well they would look as Belwar Fort. Should though they be linked/amalgamated?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:23, 28 March 2009 (PDT) == Madras Infantry Regiments ==I am trying to get a grip on the chronology of the Punjabi Regiments and this has led me to the antecedents of some who were separate from the Madras Infantry. I have created two Articles: Madras European Infantry and Madras Native Infantry which I have put in a category of Madras Infantry which is a subcategory of Madras Infantry Regiments. I have now had doubts about the hierarchyIndian Mutiny. Should the order be Madras Infantry with subcategories European and Native with articles for the regimentsAny suggestions? Please advise and recast as you think fit.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0810:3038, 29 March 14 October 2009 (PDT)

== 30 March Campaign Maps ==*'''[[Belwar]] & [[Belwar (Fort)]]'''My page for Battle of Belwar Fort now has I have just found on the Fibiwiki Main Page the link to Fibiwiki Battle Maps. This leads to 44 maps on 9 pages. The inconsistent thing is that they are not battle maps but war or campaign maps. They are also in a random order and as far as I can see you can't search for a title. If you put Sind Campaign into the gazetteer entry describing Belwar/Bilwa as 20 miles southeast of Gorakhpur search bar you get Campaign Court, Chantry Close, Westminster, London W9, UK! They are also in 1857Map format though Terrain format would be preferable. Whether it exists as a place now I don't know. Meanwhile separate articles think this is fine by methe most helpful link.Have you any influence?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:38, 15 October 2009 (PDT)

*'''Madras infantry matters'''It : I think it is great to draw attention to the maps on the Fibiwiki Main Page. I just think the link is confusing. Can we link to a Google Maps window showing all very confusing because the names of regiments changed so often. If maps as you have a look at 7th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry can when you will see that they were once 7th Regiment of Madras Infantry. Both names appear are logged in the various infantry regiment lists and as they refer click My Maps? If not, a link to the same unit I have put [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps] with extra explanation would be fine. To me Battle Map or Battlemap indicates a redirect for 7th Regiment plan showing the disposal of Madras Infantrythe armed forces on the ground.<br>Campaign maps seems more appropriate or is that just too pedantic?

European regiments were amalgamated with the British Army in 1860. 'Native' regiments continued until the abolition :On our earlier subject of the Presidency Armies in the 1890s. So I think the logical approach is to put the full chronology what comes under the Presidency Army and, where the regiment survived the MutinyBattles, put would it be helpful if the later title under the Indian Army with a redirection. Therefore the 7th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry is listed under Madras Infantry Regiments were 'Battles and Actions' as was the 7th Regiment of Madras Infantry is listed under the Indian Army Infantry Regiments. Do you think that is OKoriginal table?<br>--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:21, 16 October 2009 (PDT)

The same thing will apply to the European regiments==Photographs==I need a clarification for a photograph. 1st Madras (European) Fusiliers will appear under Madras Infantry Regiments and its later incarnation Can I put up copyright photograph if I ask the 102nd photographer for permission (Royal Madras Fusiliersvia email) Regiment should for it to be listed under Indian Army Infantry Regimentsuploaded to this site. It would still retain it copyright status.<br>It would be for photographs for which free images are difficult to get. Also it can be removed once a free image is found. Thanks. [[User:Rzafar|Rzafar]] 07:51, 7 November 2009 (PST)

==User Talk==When I have got Peterleft a message on Sy's book User Talk I noticed the Date and Time generated were not correct. [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:23, 13 December 2009 (PST)==Veterinary Surgeon==Hi Sarah. Re Veterinary Surgeons/IMS . At least up until 1860 they were part of the IMS, being listed above Warrant Officer Apothecaries.http://books.google.com/books?id=O94NAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR9 1838 Bengal Directory; http://books.google.com/books?id=ahe1AAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PR17 Madras October 1860[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 14:23, 16 December 2009 (PST)==Non-British Ancestors==Hi Sarah re http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Non-British_Ancestors. The information on this page, being a category, does not show up in a search.Is it has some useful detail about possible to put the structure of the armies but of course doesninformation into an article? Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:44, 20 December 2009 (PST)==Indian Civil Service==Hi Sarah I was just looking at a link which Lee added and I think I managed to delete it.I don't know how this happened as I didn't physically delete.I haven't address these issues of cataloguingtouched it again. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:41, 29 December 2009 (PST)Lee has now fixed this up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:26, 29 December 2009 (PST)==Scholars or antiquarians‎==Sorry Sarah I was copying an old link to see if I could find an archived version and somehow I managed to reinstate it. Obviously I am doing something incorrect when I look at past versions.See previous post also.<br>[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 20:41, 3 January 2010 (PST)

Thanks for sorting my muddle over where == Biographies ==Glad you approve. I was going to put ask you: Is it worthwhile putting all the two articles biographies on Madras Infantry. I have only just realised how you format titles so they are at the top of War page in addition to the specific ones on the Battles pages? I thought a list and not buried alphabetically/numericallyin the War article would be helpful.<br>

*'''Wars/battles dates There is a wealth of information in categories'''the archive books that Maureen has found and which I am beginning to explore. Finding them on the archive site is not very easy. I do like found Volumes 1 and 2 of the idea Duke of chronological listsWellington's despatches but not a later one covering the 4th Mysore War. Is there an easy way we I can set 't decide whether this up so is because it was not published (wouldn't they have covered his whole period?) or that it can be has not been digitized (woudn't they have done as we edit each event rather than going laboriously back through the whole listall of them?).--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 05:08, 6 January 2010 (PST)

*'''Recent edits'''I see you have been changing my ==== Known as 22nd Punjabis ==== to '''Known as 22nd Punjabis'''. I assume this is because of the problem I had earlier with the title appearing in the index box. Ideally I was hoping to have the title a bit bigger than you get using the '''Bold''' tool. Any suggestions?<br>:Thanks for finding Vol III--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:4226, 30 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Bilwa Redirect ==Thanks for Maureen has recently added 3rd Light Dragoons with an on-line book she has found. 3rd Light Dragoons was an earlier name of 17th Dragoons so I transferred the link information there. I tried to the newspaper articleput a redirect on 3rd Light Dragoons but it doesn't work. Clearly I have cut and pasted it onto the Belwar page as an imagelost my marbles again. Ideally it should be a bit smaller. Can this be What have I done in the Fibiwiki (other than the thumb option)wrong?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1001:5426, 1 April 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

Well done for finding it on the mapHi Sarah and Sy. Must be the place as it checks with The online book in question was written in 1846 and the coordinates in Regiment was then called the Gazetteer3rd Light Dragoons. I have corrested think this is a different regiment to the coordinates17th Dragoons, mounted which was called 3rd Light Dragoons at a map extract and added the external link to your account of the Naval Brigademuch earlier date.--Regards[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1002:4102, 2 April 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Chronological Lists Bengal Infantry ==Picking out points in I am trying to get to grips with the order chronology of your commentsthe various Bengal Infantry Regiments before the Mutiny. The archive.org volume [http:*Yes there are lots of battles that don't form part of campaigns //www.archive.org/stream/anhistoricalacc00willgoog#page/n7/mode/2up here] has been very useful if a bit muddly but generally during it only goes up to the Mutinyreorganisation of 1796. If I knew more attach the spreadsheet I might be able have made to try to identify all the campaigns in the mutiny but I am not sure whether they would still include all analyse the battleschanges. Many It contains a number of the battles could be grouped where they were actions unresolved contradictions and is not helped by a particular army unit such as the Sarun Field Force or relatively few details in the Central Indian Field Forceregiments. I just don't know enoughorg website [http://web.archive.org/web/20071015183834/www.*The page looks fineregiments. What category will it be under? Are we going to mix up campaigns and battles or have separate org/regiments/southasia/lists? What happens when a war spans two of your double decades? *Do we now need to go through the wars and campaigns and remove the dates /ia1859b.htm here]. Our list, in common with others, uses the title? This is laborious because you can't change titles as at the title reorganisation of a category by moving it as you can with an article1824 and I think these remained unchanged until 1857. As far as I know we will have not been able to go through and change the internal links in all find any details of the battles associated with the particular campaign1824 changes.<br>With your superior internet powers, have you any suggestion where I can look further?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1003:5903, 2 April 2009 11 January 2010 (PDTPST)

In reply :Great template. I will of course add it from now on. As you can see I have made some progress revising the BNI pages. I have a feeling I have done the easy bit as I have got to regiments which were formed after the 1796 and before the 1824 reorganisation. I am not sure yet how we track them. For instance the 14th BNI started in 1765 but its number changed to 19th in 1775. The 24th BNI became 14th in 1775 but mutinied and was disbanded in 1795. The 20th became the 14th in 1795 but changed to 2nd Btn 10th in 1796. A new 14th was formed in 1824 from 1st Btn 10th and it is the 1824 numbers that we are using in our list. Perhaps we should have a table with the regiment numbers listed vertically and cells along the row to link to your replythe pedigree of the regiment in 1764, 1775, 1781, 1796 etc. Any thoughts?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 00:47, 16 January 2010 (PST)

I think we should ==Society Reading List==Hi Sarah Could you change the link mentioned for George Atkinson, author of Curry and Rice,as the existing one no longer works. It is the second link, not muddle up Campaigns the one to the actual book Curry and Battles on the same listRice. http://www.archive.org/stream/balladsofburmaan00oolarich#page/4/mode/2up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:13, 16 January 2010 (PST)==100th Regiment of Foot/92nd Regiment of Foot==Hi Sarah. Let's I have just get on with added a link here. All the time the Campaigns chronological list and see how we feel laterRegiment was in India it was known as the 92nd Foot, I think that is the more meaningful heading, not the 100th Foot.Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 03:24, 17 January 2010 (PST)

== Gordon Highlanders ==Looking at the pages I suggest think the current page should be renamed 92nd Regt and a new page made for 100th. 75th and 92nd joined in 1881 to become 1st and 2nd Btn Gordon Highlanders. There were several 100th Regts see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot Wikipedia]. Our new 100th page could sweep up the few campaigns various strands. The one that overlap two double decades we put them in the section fought in which they startedIndia was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot_(Loyal_Lincolnshire_Regiment) this one].

I'll have ago am struggling with a head full of Bengal Infantry at adding to the page moment. If you agree with the above we could change the title and see how much of put a mess note on the 100th page "coming soon". I makewill put it on my list.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:56, 18 January 2010 (PST)

== Bengal Infantry ==Sarah, I have had a shot at a table to access the various regiments at different times. Would you mind having a look at [[Bengal Infantry Table]]. The idea is to list the regiments in chronological order for each of the critical dates and link the regiment number to the relevant regiment page. I have put in a few as an example. I now realise that this wont cover all the variables. For instance 19th Battalion was raised in 1764 but was broken up in 1781. This doesn't feature so far on our regiment pages which only covers the replacement 19th which is shown on our page for [[17th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]]. Any suggestions as to how we can address this?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0011:5609, 4 April 2009 18 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== H M Regiments Military online autobiographies==Hi Sarah and Sy: Can you suggest a page for military autobiographies where they seem to have changed regiments a lot, so you can’t put them on the Regiments page, I know itcan's picky t work what war or battle to place them in, but I don't like the title Hbook seems to contain content of interest.MWould a section on the bottom of [[Chronological list of Wars and Campaigns]] be satisfactory?<br>Eg*[http://books.'s Regimentsgoogle. Convention says we leave out com/books?id=jIUEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PP7 Memoirs of the early life and service of a field officer on the apostrophe as retired list of the Indian army]by Major David Price 1839 Google Books (service from 1780)*[http://books.google.com/books?id=sUjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR3 Military reminiscences: extracted from a journal of nearly forty years' active service in Hthe East Indies Volume 1] by James Welsh of the Madras Establishment 1830 [http://books.Mgoogle. Governmentcom/books?id=8UjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PP13 Volume 2] (Service from 1790)*[http://www. It is a clumsy looking beastarchive. Also I have been corrected before org/stream/fortyoneyearsin00unkngoog#page/n100/mode/1up Forty One Years in India: From subaltern to commander-in-chief Volume 1] by other editors for putting stops after initials (as in JField Marshal Lord Roberts of Kandahar 1897 Chapter 6 onwards. KArchive. Rowlingorg (I did put this one under Indian Mutiny)[http://www.archive. Should we leave them out as well? org/stream/fortyoneyearsin02robegoog#page/n11/mode/1up Volume 2] 1898 What do you think?--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0122:0244, 4 April 2009 18 January 2010 (PDTPST)

:Thanks for reviewing I suggest these general biographies could be put on the war pages Sarah. As usual your editing was accurate and succinct. It would be great to have articles as full well as 84th Foot and I always have to stop myself being dragged off on interesting lines of enquiry which pop up on the net. I guess the priority is to get the general framework developed and hope others will fill in over timeany special Military Biography page.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0104:2458, 15 April 2009 19 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== 4th Gurkha Rifles ==Sorry Hi Sarahand Sy: i found out more about Major David Price and was able to place him, I hope correctly. Clearly a temporary loss of gripJames Welsh was in the Poligar War. Realised to day these are the Polygar Wars. I should have realised However what is there was already for the 1st and 2nd Polygar War is a pageCategory, not an article and does not come up in searching. Could you copy the information onto an artice, and I'll qualify to fly solo one daywill add an external link. Thanks [[User:Maureene|Maureene]]Hi Sarah Thanks for altering this.--[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0018:4809, 6 May 2009 21 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== 33rd Punjabis More on Bengal Infantry ==I see you prefer have a redirection here. suggestion for the problem I thought about it but on balance took the other viewraised above. The question is: do we include any title variation on the basis that someone may use that term in Please have a search? If we do, there is no limit to the number of mistaken or ill-judged titles we admit.In this case I believe the proper title for the regiment was 33rd Punjab look at [[19th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry. They were commonly called 33rd Punjabis ]] and I have mentioned that on the page. I have never seen them (or any of the other Punjab Infantry) referred to as 33rd Punjabi Infantrytell me what you think. I therefore decided that title was better removed.However it's no big deal in Maybe the great scheme of thingsbox size/colour could be adjusted.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0804:5258, 6 May 2009 19 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Chronological list of wars and campaigns Bengal regiments again ==I have just had a look at this and must say you have done a great job. It gives a really clear picture of the order of eventsSounds fine to me. I know you suggested that I help with the construction, but in view of my recent ragged editing, it is probably just as well I didn't. Are we now going to take the dates off the War titles as Valmay would prefer? Did you get anywhere with a method for this or will it be a tedious process?Do you think it would be a good idea to do a similar list for like the NWF Campaigns? I am willing to lend a hand if you wish.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 00:44, 8 May 2009 (PDT):You have done a huge amount appearance of work Sarah. I am sure the chronological lists will be well worth it.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 09:50, 14 May 2009 (PDT)boxed panel anyway

== 4th Hussars ==There must be something strange about the link to Shadows of Time. I have just tested expanded the 4th Hussars Regimental Records page that you removed and it works fine. It would be good table to reinstate it if we canfour panels of 20 regiments with links filled in for the 74 regiment which existed in 1824. It has a wealth This gives an idea of genealogical informationthe whole page.Comments?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0107:3341, 12 May 2009 19 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== 1st Belooch Regiment Singapore==Hi Sarah I haven't read every link of the medical history articles I have added, but most of the ones I did read had the names of people scattered throughout and some had quite a lot of names. Even the others I thought added a sense of the social conditions at the time which could be of interest to those who had ancestors living at the time. I still have some other links to add but will not do so if you think they are not relevant. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 17:05, 8 February 2010 (PST)

OK Fine==Citation and Doctor==Hi Sarah I have not been successful doing a citation and half the article [[Doctor]] now doesn't appear. Initially Iput Notes at the end of Bengal Individuals and then at the end of the article.Also I didn'll reinstate t know whether just to put==before Notes, or whether more were needed, as itwas in a section that already had===. If it doesn't However, overriding all this I must have a category where does it lurk?--done something incorrect as now nothing in the article appears after the citation. Sorry [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1020:5735, 15 May 2009 10 February 2010 (PDTPST):(see Special Pages, List redirects) Where it that?--==Calcutta cemeteries==No time to finish off. Will do some more tomorrow night. Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 04:5152, 16 May 2009 14 February 2010 (PDTPST)

== Bengal Infantry ==I uploaded the Agra rail map (no worries about copyright) and popped it on the Agra pagewould be happy with Bengal Infantry Finder. You suggested you would attend to the stationsThe highlighting helps legibility. Can I ask a favour? I created content for "How to interpret this infobox" did think that the later tables which can be found are not so wide could go side by clicking [[How to interpret this infobox|here]]side but that is beyond my powers. I need someone to critically cast their eye over what I have written and come back to me with straightforward observations like "I would have wanted to know about X but it only told me Y." (I can then add Z.) Would you mind? [[User:HughWilding|HughWilding]] 13noticed some duplication in our Bengal Army pages:32, 15 May 2009 (PDT)

I am afraid this exercise is involving you We seem to be getting in a lot of work which has been caused muddle by my dating on the campaigns. Thanks for getting it back one hand dividing the regiment list before and after the Mutiny and on track. And thanks for doing the NWF Chronological List – a great asset.:Do you mean a chronological other trying to list all the Bengal Regiments up to the amalgamation of battles the Presidencies in each war? Sounds like a lot of work1895.I have been (rather patchily) adding Actions on The same applies to the various War pagescavalry regiments.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:52, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

A few comments on I think we should stick to the latest batch:Mutiny as the division point. What do you feel? In any case we need to add redirection to those in red which actually have articles.

If you put “Battles” into == Columns ==When I open the page the columnation has chopped up the Search Box last table so the first item column headings are separated. I think without columns is ‘List the lesser of Battles & Actions in British India 1600-1900’two poor layouts. Peter agreed some time ago that this list is redundant now that Thanks for sorting the majority position of Battles have edited pagesthe reference. I put it in What was the For Deletion category temporarily with a suggestion that reason for it should not be deleted but put in archive somewhere. Generally speaking we don’t want users accessing this list let alone wasting time editing it.?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:38, 2 March 2010 (PST)

Baizai Expedition: You == Bengal Infantry again again==Well, thanks to your BL information I was able to sort out my spreadsheet and with a bit of guesswork eliminated all the anomalies. From this I have added ‘The Baizai Expedition recast the Bengal Infantry Finder looking at every one of 1849 saw the Battle of Baizai Territory’550 cells again. The original Battle entry was ‘Battle of Baizai Territory’ but like many others it wasn’t I am sure there are a battle few errors and I really should have one more trawl through but a NWF campaign. I converted it was losing the will to Baizai Expeditionlive. If you put ‘Baizai Territory’ into Search you get the Location page with a circular reference back I would like to the expedition! As you know there is have your comments now and a page titled ‘Battle of Baizai Territory’ but it is one note of those phantom pages without a category which takes any mistakes you round find by the circle again. Surely it can be deleted.:I now appreciate what you say about double redirectsodd spot check. I will try to check for links as I go alongthen finish it off.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:52, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

Bozdari ExpeditionSince you also sent me some stuff on the other presidencies I thought I would have a go at Madras Regiments. I remember I tried to sort them out last year with middling success.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 09: Same issues as Baizai Expedition.21, 14 March 2010 (PDT)

Battle of Umbeyla: Another of those phantom pagesThanks for the feedback. I have added corrected the two blunders. 1795 was the year that Capt Williams used as a base year and where I got a lot of my information from. In 1796 the 36 battalions were condensed into 12 regiments of two battalions each. Pargana was the Hindustani word for a tax area. There is an external link to on each of the Location page “Umbeyla”Purgunnah Battalion pages: [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MU-Ste-h1vMC&pg=PA67&dq=Purgunnah+Battalions&cd=1#v=onepage&q=Purgunnah%20Battalions&f=false Purgunnah Battalions] --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:54, 15 March 2010 (PDT)

==Apothecary==Hi Sarah. I hope these are not too nitpicking.--agree the article is getting long, so it would be best to split of the Individuals as you suggest [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0817:5135, 20 May 2009 19 March 2010 (PDT)

== Hyderabad Subsidiary Force Macao Expedition==There seem I have seen no other Macao Expedition so have removed the date from the title and have added it to have been several contingents of troops under the Nizamchronological list. Many of them came together I have categorized it as Wars and Campaigns (though it might equally be under the [http://enMinor Campaigns) and Napoleonic War.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_Royal_Deccan_Horse 9th Deccan Royal Horse]I hope you agree. I will have also changed the spelling to the old spelling to link it to the Location page. Also a go at sorting them outfew internal links and other stuff which perhaps you could vet. Incidentally there are dozens of units under Auxillary Regiments that I havendon't even begun to look atknow Nick Adams - I hope he wont be upset but this surgery.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1308:18, 25 March 2010 (PDT)==Forums/Message boards/ELs==Hi Sarah. Thanks for the reasoning. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:5238, 20 May 2009 8 April 2010 (PDT)

== Polygar War District Info box==This seems hi, I think we can use the old one with a slight alteration - add the headquarter info to have followed it and remove the 4th Maratha Waraltitude (as it varies). It wasn't included in Peter's Battle ListCoordinates would help with location. I will put About the image: it on should remain - does not necessarily have to be for a map - could be any interesting image of the province. just my 'to do' listthoughts.--regards [[User:SymorsebrownRzafar|SyRzafar]] 1303:5219, 20 May 2009 16 April 2010 (PDT)

== Mharwara Battalion Digital Library of India ==My brief research suggests that Mhairwara is correctMaureen has just put a link on the Indian Mutiny page to the Digital Library of India. I think move can't seem to make itconnect to anything coherent. I agree we should omit Is it me? The from titlessame link is on 13th BNI page. BTW I will move them as have found the archive.org History of the Indian Mutiny which I go throughhave added.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1309:5256, 20 May 2009 7 June 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Nizam's Army User status ==You are quite right. They shouldn't be under Madras Army. You will see from my notes on the pages of the Hyderabad Contingent Regiments that the Hyderabad Contingent was part One of the Nizam's Army though ways I imagine, due tried to fix the location cite problem meant that sysops would lose editing rights, unless they were a member of Hyderabadanother group that had editing rights, contact with HEIC was with so I added you to the Madras Presidency. It is better as a separate categorybot group too. I recently found this list of State Forces which 'm not using that way now, so I was going to try to reconcile with the regiments we already have documented:can remove you if you prefer.

Hyderabad State Forces: His Exalted Highness BTW - I also changed the CSS so that cite references are slightly smaller and highlighted blue when clicked whilst I was playing with it. I think it makes it easier to see which ref you are being referred to, but if you prefer the Nizam’s Regular Forces: Deccan District old way I can change it back. -- Hyderabad Headquarters<br> 1st (Nizam’s Own) Hyderabad Imperial Service Lancers[[User: Asufnagar<br> 2nd (Nizam’s Own) Hyderbad Imperial Service LancersValmay|FIBIS Webmaster]] 14: Golconda. Chawan Muhamundi<br> 3rd Hyderabad (Nizam’s Own) Golconda Lancers: Golconda Fort<br> Hyderabad Cavalry Training Squadron: Asafnagar<br> ‘A’ Battery57, Hyderabad Horse Artillery: Mullapalli<br> 1st Hyderabad Infantry: Goshamahal<br> 2nd Hyderabad Infantry: Chandraingutta<br> 3rd Hyderabad Infantry 15 June 2010 (Nizam’s OwnUTC): Saifabad<br> Hyderabad Infantry Training Company: Nampally, Saifabad<br>

We may find other Princely State Forces which will require categories==[[Civil Service reading list]]==Additional wording suggested:After "Check the FIBIS Online Bookshop for availability of recommended titles and more information" add: under the heading Indian Civil Service.

Anyway I got distracted tracking down the Madras Infantry RegimentsAlso add [http://www. This led me to trying to sort out the Madras Cavalry Regiments which kept changing numbers in accordance with the age of their commanding officers! I am in the middle of recasting themnytimes. Generally I am redirecting them to the later incarnations in the Indian Army Cavalry but sometimes the changing numbers will require alternative redirections depending on which year you want to find the regimentcom/2006/04/30/books/review/30sherman. Clear as mud? I have chosen the page entry titles as in 1788 for pre-Mutiny entries in the Madras Cavalry and 1903 for the post Mutiny entries in the Indian Army Cavalry. I hope this works out.--html New York Times Review] Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1105:4436, 4 26 June 2009 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Tables Naval matters ==Thanks Sarah. I was unaware of this section. I have two articles: Shannon's Naval Brigade and Pearl's Naval Brigade. I have made categories for thateach. Do you think these categories should be removed and the articles put under Category:Naval and Maritime? or maybe Category:Navy?. I'll give it a gowould like your advice. Thanks.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1307:2230, 10 June 2009 12 July 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Duar War 19th Light Dragoons ==You are quite right Sarah. I will certainly add it was drunk with power and didn't check the links. In principle I think we should use the contemporary regiment titles when listing the forces of a particular campaign. That means we either need an article for that title with a redirect or we put ina portmanteau link. ThanksI don't think it realistic to create articles and redirects for all the former titles so inevitably we have many many portmanteau internal links. I It will never be away black and white however so I am happy for two weeks from 16 June so you wont see much activityto reinstate 19th Light Dragoons. I don't think I am able to do it. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1308:2219, 10 June 2009 1 September 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Google Maps Internal/external links ==How do Has Hugh discussed this issue with you think the maps are coming? The ones relating to Have a look at my three new subcategories of 1st Afghan War could be linked now though they will need a few refinements. I haven't spent any time investigating how to use your Map Template yetpost on his page.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1308:2241, 10 June 2009 1 September 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Wars Historic Guns ==Hi Sarah. I think the wars infobox is great. I also like the way the map template fits under it.<br>May I suggest: *We have used numerals for the war titles generally (1st Afghan War) but letters for the title in the infobox (First Afghan War). Should we be consistent or is there just had a better reason to change? *The date format 1839-42 seems to have become our norm rather than 1777 to 1782. *I am uncertain about what should go into the Links section. In the 1st Afghan War look at this article we and think you have done a great job sorting out the category and its subcategories; which is finepictures. In the 1st Maratha War category we have the same category which of course It is not a link to itselfediting far beyond my capabilities.<br>Actually Am I am right that there are still confused as a few Sutlej guns to when entries should be articles or categories. The 1st Afghan War article has the infobox, troop strength, recommended reading and external links. The category has troops strength, subcategories and articles including the 1st Afghan War article. Isn't there a certain amount of duplication/circularity hereformatted? Also it is the 1st Maratha War category that has the infobox as there is no article. Do Let me know when you reckon you intend that all the category pages have an article page of the same name where the infobox and detailed information resides?<br>Anyway the infobox is a great idea and I will happily add it to the war pages as I go if you finished so we can get through my muddle.<br>Thanks ask Elizabeth Hancox for recent edits by the way. Sometimes I feel like a careless child whose parent is forever tidying up after themher comments.<br> Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 05:13, 24 July 2009 (PDT)

== 16th Irregular Cavalry ==Sorry that was a typo. I can see you are right on my tail so I had better confess. I am trawling through the regiments using the archive link The guns page led me to regiments.org and filling in those units which mutinied. This has caused some renaming and alteration of former redirections. I fear I may have left do a trail couple of destruction. The principle I am trying to follow is a page for the regiment before the mutiny in the Bengal Army then a new page for the successor regiment in the Indian Armyarticles under Ordnance. In fact I believe the regiments were reformed about 1861 and were actually still in the Bengal Army Any comments on Infantry Weapons and were only later moved into the Indian Army after the abolition of the Presidencies in the 1890sMountain Guns would be appreciated. I can't see a cleaner way of dividing it at the moment. Any comments?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 11:07, 30 July 2009 (PDT)

== Welcome Break ==I will be away from 3-20 August so you will have a respite from my errorsThanks.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1113:0748, 30 July 2009 20 October 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Chronologies Map template ==Oh GawdI have just made a Google Map of the 17thC HEIC Factories locations. Realising that the Battle Map template is not appropriate, I have tried to make a new Map template. Have a look at the East India Company page. It is rather crude and, if we use the map image I have chosen, the text would be better below the image. If you have time to refine it all seemed so simple when , I started out!<br>would be grateful.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 17:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

==Green Template link to FIBIS Google Books Library==Hi Sarah. I originally decided have noticed the link is broken for some of the links from the green template to allocate regiments as follows<br>'''The Madrasthe FIBIS Google Books Library,, eg for the template on [[Indian Mutiny]], [[Burma]], [[Life in India#Passage to India]]. I tried to replace these links , Bengal and Bombay Army listings would contain:'''<br>a) regiments under their originating name based on one which is still working which didn't survive is located on the mutiny page [[British India]].<br>b) regiments which were formed before 1895 (when On my first, and only attempt, on the page [[Indian Army Mutiny]] I was officially designated) using their original name. These would generally have a redirection partially successful, in that the link goes to the listing in Google Books Library, but it doesn't go to the category Indian Army under their later nameMutiny.<br> Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 21:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Hi Sarah currently I have a working link, although for how long I don'''The Indian Army listings would containt know. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:'''<br>a) all regiments formed before the mutiny with continuity through 1895 listed under their 1895 name<br>b41, 18 November 2010 (UTC) regiments which were formed after the mutiny listed under their originating name.<br>

You are right that the 17th Bengal Native Infantry ceased to exist during the mutiny and the name was given for three years (== Reginald Malpas Gore ==Hello Sarah<br />I have no idea why) to the Sirmoor Rifle Regiment which later became the 2nd Gurkha Riflesnow received from David Gore better res images of his father's photos. As there was no connection between I have put them on the units I page but as usual my limited skills have not made a link between been unable to arrange them neatly without encroaching on the twoparagraph below. But Could you please work your magic on them? They are right to point out that someone may be searching for all thumbnails as this seems the '1861' 17th Bengal Native Infantry not the '1765' 17th Bengal Native Infantry and would not easily find it. I guess some reference to the later use of only format which includes the name would be a good ideatitle.<br>Another point is thatRegards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 12:29, under my methodology, the Sirmoor Battalion should be listed under Bengal Infantry Regiments with a redirection to 2nd Gurkha Rifles.<br>2 February 2011 (UTC)

Now for :Just to let you know I have fixed the problem of the 12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantryimages by adding a gallery. --[[User:Valmay|FIBIS Webmaster]] 17:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Shah Shujah was == People by occupation ==Thanks for your message Sarah. You are the ruler the British put on the throne in the 1st Afghan Warwiki expert so I'll go along with however you feel it should be organised. His unit was taken into When I started the Bengal Army after the war as The Regiment Military Commanders biographies I found a lot of Khelat-i-Ghilziesingle people under Ocupations so I relocated them to People. I got into have also created a muddle because the title 12th Bengal Native Infantry was used both Category for the regiment that mutinied Military Commanders with British, French, Indian and the one that became the Bombay PioneersOther subcategories. I hope I have now disentangled it by changing the name of 12th Bengal Native Infantry in the Indian Army Infantry to 12th (KhelatIf you feel this needs re-i-Ghilzie) Bengal Infantry and casting, please let me know. The sticking point for me was putting East India Company under Category:People by reinstating 12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry under Bengal Infantry with Occupation when it is manifestly neither a comment on the subsequent use of the nameperson or an occupation. There is an entry Thanks for 12th Bengal Native Infantry without a category and with a redirection to 12th Bengal Native Infantry your help.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:13, 27 April 2011 (but there seems to be a double redirect in there which I can't figure outUTC).

Let me know your opinion == Battle of Josshouse Hill ==Someone has inserted irrelevant text on this page and the allocation of entries Talk page. I have undone it. You might have a look at the History to check I have done the various armiesright thing. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

==Journal cover pic==Noted, although it has been on the page [[FIBIS Journal]] since November 2009, and was uoloaded by another. Would it be possible to upload some, or all of the FIBIS Journal covers, which are cuurently used for the Journals in the FIBIS shop and I could add them to the page [[FIBIS Journal]]. Regards--[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0812:5434, 31 11 July 2009 2011 (PDTUTC)

== Affghanistan! Images ==For once my misspelling was intentional. The Battle Honours were awarded with Hi Sarah<br />Belated thanks for organising all the spelling of the time and that is how they are recorded images in the regimental archives. I have taken the view that they should be entered verbatim e.g Mooltan, Pekin etcElizabeth Guns article. Sorry I havendidn't changed it back in case you have enter them correctly first time. Having been out of circulation for a strong contrary viewwhile I missed the notifications. Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0612:10, 31, 10 September 2009 October 2011 (PDT)

== Oude Campaign Indian Subordinate Medical Service==Brave or foolish. I fully admit that I am rather unclear as Hi Sarah, the ISM Service is different to the various phases of the Mutiny but I thought if I plunged in things might unravelISM Department, according to this Google Books link http://books.google.com. au/books?id=PShpbwti_3EC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Indian+Subordinate+Medical+Service&source=bl&ots=RpsqnAStyB&sig=POStCCl2jHkwfNhmvvUIUPih-9U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cBXoUpiKOIq4iQeyvYHQDA&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Indian%20Subordinate%20Medical%20Service&f=false - Regards[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] ([[User talk:Maureene|talk]])

One of the puzzles is the lists I have recently found of actions in the Oude Campaign do not include those ==Apothecary==Hi Sarah, I previously came across involving Brigadier Troup. For the moment must say I have put them all on one page. Another is that don’t agree with the so-called Delhi Campaign includes a lot more that the Siege quick definition of Delhi. Also for a long time I have Apothecary which has been trying to get further details on the Trans-Gogra Campaign - was it part of the Oude Campaign or something separate? There was also a Trans-Rapti Campaignadded.

My Google Earth Placemarks show graphically “Initially, under the locations of all the Indian Mutiny actions I have researched and I will perhaps be able to allocate the battles to the campaigns using that. To do East India Company, this though I need to give was a different colour to the mutiny placemarks to distinguish them from the hundreds of other battles. Not sure if I can face that at the moment. I think I will just plug on with the fibiwiki. I might start some Google Maps with different coloured placemarks for the different commanding officers. Could bring some clarityjunior medical orderly.”

If you know of anyone I don’t think it could be said that an Apothecary was ever a junior medical orderly, at least not in Australian terms, where an orderly does nothing to do with a better grasp matters of the Mutinytreatment at all. Maybe when they first started their training as boys this terminology might apply, I would welcome some enlightenment. I have been relying largely on the book by Saul David which I get out of the library periodicallybut not trained Apothecaries.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:03In 1812 boys were to be trained as “Compounders and Dressers, 11 September 2009 (PDT)and ultimately as Apothecaries and Sub Assistant Surgeons”

== FIBIS Library ==I have just seen If you read down the Apothecary page it says “Medical College training for Hospital Apprentices was introduced in 1847 in Bengal following the e-mail system that had previously been successfully introduced in Madras. "General Order 200" dated 15 June 1847 is about Apprenticeships in the FIBIS Google Book LibraryBengal Subordinate Medical Department. I know we talked about this some time ago because I remember asking someone how It sets out that candidates would sit an examination to group become an apprentice. Those successful would serve for two years as an apprentice in the books into separate categoriesHospital of a European Regiment or General Hospital. Did I ever give you my Google Library They then may be selected by the Medical Board for incorporating? There are over 200 separate entriesa studentship in the Medical College. They would then attend a two year course of study comprising Anatomy, Dissection, Materia Medica, Pharmaceutical Chemistry, the practice of Medicine and Surgery and more especially clinical instruction in connection with the last two branches. I presume I could export At the end of the listtwo years they were to undergo an examination.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:29If successful they were to be drafted to European Regiments or to the General Hospital, 11 September 2009 (PDT)there to wait their turn for promotion as Assistant Apothecaries or Assistant Stewards. Promotion to Apothecary was also to be by examination.

== Madras NI ==Sorry. Put it down Even comparing an Apothecary to drink/drugs/senilitya senior nurse is not correct, at least for the Australian situation, because no nurses would have studied, or would perform surgery.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:27I think a lower ranked doctor would be more accurate terminology, 15 September 2009 (PDT)or possibly a senior nurse who performed surgery.

== Image Upload ==I see from your edit of Battle of Aong that By the image has disappeared. The history says that I uploaded it from time the University of Texas map collection Indian Army was established in January 2008. Can't understand where it has gone.Anyway trying to recap I couldn't find Aong on 1895, the U of T maps but I did find Pandoo Nuddee which term Assistant Surgeon was on the same day term then used, and about a mile away. I was about to upload it when I remembered that you created an image upload templatebelieve by training they were regarded as fully qualified medical men. I can't remember where to find it. Please could you remind me. Thanks.--<br> Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 03:07, 30 September 2009 (PDT) == Jheeghun ==Sorry. I have fixed the coordinates. Jheeghun is described as 17 miles from Chutterpore (Chhatarpur). You probably noticed that by mapping the Nerbudda Fild Force route I finally pinpointed Kurrereah as Kararia. I also managed to correct Bhowragarh location. Small triumphs!--[[Usertalk:SymorsebrownMaureene|Sytalk]] 02:15, 6 October 2009 (PDT) == Amritsar ==I liked the photo of the young Sikhs around the Jallianwala Bagh fountain even if it is not "historical". It's a sobering place to visit. As for the licence, you know I'm pretty hazy on this subject. I will go with whatever you think appropriate.<br>Is the Massacre a bit too one sided to be under Battles? We have the Delhi massacre in that category. We also have the Battle of Trimmoo Ghaut which should be called a massacre as John Nicholson annihilated the 46th BNI. Again there is Cawnpore (Bibigarh) which was no battle but the slaughter of helpless prisoners. Also I am about to write a Sarah, now changed, per your comment on my User page for the destruction of the 26th BNI which was wiped out at Ajnala after surrendering. Maybe we should have a Category[[User:Outrages but it is dangerously subjective. A FIBIS policy decision?<br>I have also made a few pages recently for the outbreak of mutiny at various locations. I have put them under Indian Mutiny obviously but also under Battles and used the Battle Info Box. They can't really go under Mutinies as they would look as though they were separate from the Indian Mutiny. Any suggestions?--Maureene|Maureene]] ([[Usertalk:SymorsebrownMaureene|Sytalk]] 10:38, 14 October 2009 (PDT)1 February 2014