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== Jheeghun ==Sorry. I have added fixed the coordinates. Jheeghun is described as 17 miles from Chutterpore (BritishChhatarpur) to your edit of "Category:Indian Army" to distinguish it from Indian Army 1858-95 and . You probably noticed that by mapping the post-Independence Indian Army both of which you find if you Google "Indian Army"Nerbudda Fild Force route I finally pinpointed Kurrereah as Kararia. I also found the informative Wikipedia page "Indian Army 1895-1947" which I have added managed to external links. Hope you approvecorrect Bhowragarh location.Small triumphs!--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0502:2115, 24 March 6 October 2009 (PDT)

== Indian Army Amritsar ==I liked the photo of the young Sikhs around the Jallianwala Bagh fountain even if it is not "historical". It's all beinning a sobering place to visit. As for the licence, you know I'm pretty hazy on this subject. I will go with whatever you think appropriate.<br>Is the Massacre a bit too one sided to be under Battles? We have the Delhi massacre in that category. We also have the Battle of Trimmoo Ghaut which should be called a massacre as John Nicholson annihilated the 46th BNI. Again there is Cawnpore (Bibigarh) which was no battle but the slaughter of helpless prisoners. Also I am about to write a page for the destruction of the 26th BNI which was wiped out at Ajnala after surrendering. Maybe we should have a Category:Outrages but it is dangerously subjective. A FIBIS policy decision?<br>I have also made a few pages recently for the outbreak of mutiny at various locations. I have put them under Indian Mutiny obviously but also under Battles and used the Battle Info Box. They can't really go under Mutinies as they would look a lot more coherentas though they were separate from the Indian Mutiny.Any suggestions?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0210:1038, 25 March 14 October 2009 (PDT)

== Skinner's Horse Campaign Maps ==Naively I thought that if it is in Google Books we are in have just found on the Fibiwiki Main Page the clear! However we come back link to Fibiwiki Battle Maps. This leads to that old problem of the difference between copyright in USA and UK44 maps on 9 pages. Dictionary of Indian Biography The inconsistent thing is a snippet when viewed here. It may that they are not battle maps but war or may not be in full view in the UScampaign maps. Phyllis Danko who has been part of the Battles research has sent me PDFs available as downloads from Google Books which They are full view for her also in New Hampshire but a snipppet random order and as far as I can see you can't search for mea title. Here's If you put Sind Campaign into the conundrum: if SHE edits the FIBIwikisearch bar you get Campaign Court, Chantry Close, Westminster, London W9, can she use material that is copyright for her but not for UK? If ! They are also in Map format though Terrain format would be preferable. I edit don't think this is the FIBIwiki using the pdf, am I breaking copyright? Would it make most helpful link. Have you any difference if FIBIS were American basedinfluence? Globalisation brings such problems. But we need to have the answer.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0210:1038, 25 March 15 October 2009 (PDT)

:Leave I think it is great to draw attention to me Guvthe maps on the Fibiwiki Main Page. I'll do it todayjust think the link is confusing.--Can we link to a Google Maps window showing all the maps as you can when you are logged in and click My Maps? If not, a link to the [[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03http:36, 28 March 2009 (PDT)== BACSA link on RRL Cemeteries //wiki.fibis.org/index. php?title==Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps] with extra explanation would be fine. To me Battle Map or Battlemap indicates a plan showing the disposal of the armed forces on the ground. Campaign maps seems more appropriate or is that just too pedantic?

Hi SarahSorry:On our earlier subject of what comes under Battles, but I am not happy about you forcing people to do a two-step to get to the BACSA website. The internal link adds no real value. It is far better for folk who are interested to would it be able to go straight to helpful if the horsetitle were 's mouth. Note that the link should be to the BACSA mainpage Battles and not to their publications page. The point of the link is to provide info on BACSA; IActions've listed the publications. Their list of transcription titles as was produced by a not very good scan and at the moment contains a number of typos.So the question is: will you restore the external link or may Ioriginal table?Regards --[[User:EleanorNeilSymorsebrown|EleanorNeilSy]] 0904:21, 16, 25 March October 2009 (PDT)

Thanks ==Photographs==I need a clarification for reverting a photograph. Can I put up copyright photograph if I ask the BACSA link Sarahphotographer for permission (via email) for it to be uploaded to this site. It would still retain it copyright status. It would be for photographs for which free images are difficult to get. Also it can be removed once a free image is found. Thanks.[[User:Rzafar|Rzafar]] 07:51, 7 November 2009 (PST)

==User Talk==When I have no connection with BACSA but left a message on Sy's User Talk I do know that John Kendallnoticed the Date and Time generated were not correct. [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:23, 13 December 2009 (PST)==Veterinary Surgeon==Hi Sarah. Re Veterinary Surgeons/IMS . At least up until 1860 they were part of the IMS, being listed above Warrant Officer Apothecaries.http://books.google.com/books?id=O94NAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR9 1838 Bengal Directory; http://books.google.com/books?id=ahe1AAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PR17 Madras October 1860[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 14:23, 16 December 2009 (PST)==Non-British Ancestors==Hi Sarah re http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Non-British_Ancestors. The information on this page, who is our FIBIS database personbeing a category, was doing does not show up in a search facility for BACSA. I think that what you have found is Is it possible to put the prototype information into an article? Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:44, 20 December 2009 (his company is FrontisPST)==Indian Civil Service==Hi Sarah I was just looking at a link which Lee added and I think I managed to delete it. I would think that don't know how this happened as I didn't physically delete.I haven't touched it would be sensible again. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:41, 29 December 2009 (PST)Lee has now fixed this up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:26, 29 December 2009 (PST)==Scholars or antiquarians‎==Sorry Sarah I was copying an old link to see if I could find an archived version and somehow I managed to wait until reinstate it is properly tied in to the main BACSA site before we made any links. There are a couple of fellow-FIBIS trustees who are Obviously I am doing something incorrect when I look at past versions.See previous post also BACSA folk and I could make enquiries if you wish.[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 20:41, 3 January 2010 (PST)

Would == Biographies ==Glad you also revert the info and link for the BACSA archival files at the British Libraryapprove. The reason it appeared so clumsily setup I was out of necessity. The link going to ask you set up was session dependent, so if you try : Is it now it will not work. Sadly there appears worthwhile putting all the biographies on the War page in addition to the specific ones on the Battles pages? I thought a list in the War article would be no way around this, which is why I opted for my methodhelpful.Regards[[User:EleanorNeil|EleanorNeil]] 13:02, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

Sarah I appreciate your interest. I am an old:Thanks for finding Vol III--fashioned librarian and thus slightly obsessive about detail, but mistakes still happen so it is nice to know that someone is keeping a watchful eye on my work.[[User:EleanorNeilSymorsebrown|EleanorNeilSy]] 1001:3326, 27 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Page title/web search Redirect ==Following our Maureen has recently added 3rd Light Dragoons with an on-line book she has found. 3rd Light Dragoons was an earlier discussion on the best title to encourage hits on the web name of 17th Dragoons so I have been looking at transferred the Regiment titlesinformation there. The most obvious search term being the shortest, people are likely I tried to look for say "61st Bengal Infantry" or "69th Punjabis". A large number of our titles have Regiment e.g. "38th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry". I donput a redirect on 3rd Light Dragoons but it doesn't think we need 'Regiment of' in the title except perhaps for the Britsh Army Infantry but even 2nd Regiment of Foot is likely to be entered as 2nd Footwork. There is a mixed approach hereClearly I have lost my marbles again. What do you think is the best coursehave I done wrong?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1001:0226, 25 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

And another pointHi Sarah and Sy. Many titles have extra detail The online book in question was written in brackets such as (Hodson's Horse) or (Seaforth Highlanders)1846 and the Regiment was then called the 3rd Light Dragoons. I think this is a different regiment to the 17th Dragoons, which was called 3rd Light Dragoons at a much earlier date. Should we be shortening these?--Regards[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1002:1002, 25 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Church Details Bengal Infantry ==This from today's India ListI am trying to get to grips with the chronology of the various Bengal Infantry Regiments before the Mutiny. The archive.org volume [http://www.hinduarchive.org/stream/anhistoricalacc00willgoog#page/n7/mode/2up here] has been very useful if a bit muddly but it only goes up to the reorganisation of 1796. I attach the spreadsheet I have made to try to analyse the changes.comIt contains a number of unresolved contradictions and is not helped by the relatively few details in the regiments.org website [http://2009web.archive.org/03web/20071015183834/www.regiments.org/regiments/10southasia/storieslists/2009031052220200ia1859b.htm Can we nick it for FIBIWIKIhere]. Our list, in common with others, uses the titles as at the reorganisation of 1824 and I think these remained unchanged until 1857. I have not been able to find any details of the 1824 changes. With your superior internet powers, have you any suggestion where I can look further?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0503:5803, 26 March 2009 11 January 2010 (PDTPST)

:Thanks for doing thisGreat template. I hope will of course add it from now on. As you don't mind me leaving these things can see I have made some progress revising the BNI pages. I have a feeling I have done the easy bit as I have got to youregiments which were formed after the 1796 and before the 1824 reorganisation. I don't feel confident enough am not sure yet how we track them. For instance the 14th BNI started in 1765 but its number changed to 19th in 1775. The 24th BNI became 14th in 1775 but mutinied and was disbanded in 1795. The 20th became the 14th in 1795 but changed to put stuff 2nd Btn 10th in 1796. A new 14th was formed in 1824 from 1st Btn 10th and it is the 1824 numbers that we are using in our list. Perhaps we should have a table with the regiment numbers listed vertically and cells along the right placerow to link to the pedigree of the regiment in 1764, 1775, 1781, 1796 etc.Any thoughts?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0300:3547, 28 March 2009 16 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== 19th Society Reading List==Hi Sarah Could you change the link mentioned for George Atkinson, author of Curry and Rice,as the existing one no longer works. It is the second link, not the one to the actual book Curry and Rice. http://www.archive.org/stream/balladsofburmaan00oolarich#page/4/mode/2up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:13, 16 January 2010 (PST)==100th Regiment of Foot/92nd Regiment of Foot ==Wanting to add Chronology to this page I found a long article derived from Cathy Day's WebsiteHi Sarah. In order to separate the article from the other content I have done some recasting just added a link here. I have also removed All the request to contact time the author (Regiment was in India it doesn't seem appropriate for was known as the Fibiwiki). 92nd Foot, I hope this think that is not going to upset anyone.<br>One thing I couldn't do. The the more meaningful heading "Known as Green Howards" should be under the title and , not part of the contents box100th Foot. How do you do that?--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1003:3024, 26 March 2009 17 January 2010 (PDTPST)

:Thanks == Gordon Highlanders ==Looking at the pages I think the current page should be renamed 92nd Regt and a new page made for looking this over100th. 75th and 92nd joined in 1881 to become 1st and 2nd Btn Gordon Highlanders.--[There were several 100th Regts see [Userhttp:Symorsebrown|Sy//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot Wikipedia]] 03. Our new 100th page could sweep up the various strands. The one that fought in India was [http:33, 28 March 2009 //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot_(PDTLoyal_Lincolnshire_Regiment)this one].

== Belwar Fort ==There is I am struggling with a head full of Bengal Infantry at the moment. If you agree with the above we could change the title and put a note on the 100th page for Belwar in Locations as well as Belwar Fort"coming soon". I will put it on my list. Should they be linked/amalgamated?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0407:2356, 28 March 2009 18 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Madras Bengal Infantry Regiments ==Sarah, I am trying have had a shot at a table to get access the various regiments at different times. Would you mind having a grip on look at [[Bengal Infantry Table]]. The idea is to list the chronology regiments in chronological order for each of the Punjabi Regiments critical dates and this has led me link the regiment number to the antecedents of some who were the Madras Infantryrelevant regiment page. I have created two Articles: Madras European Infantry and Madras Native Infantry which I have put in a category of Madras Infantry which is a subcategory of Madras Infantry Regimentsfew as an example. I have now had doubts about realise that this wont cover all the hierarchyvariables. Should For instance 19th Battalion was raised in 1764 but was broken up in 1781. This doesn't feature so far on our regiment pages which only covers the order be Madras replacement 19th which is shown on our page for [[17th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry with subcategories European and Native with articles for the regiments]]. Any suggestions as to how we can address this? Please advise and recast as you think fit.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0811:3009, 29 March 2009 18 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== 30 March Military online autobiographies==*''Hi Sarah and Sy: Can you suggest a page for military autobiographies where they seem to have changed regiments a lot, so you can’t put them on the Regiments page, I can't work what war or battle to place them in, but the book seems to contain content of interest. Would a section on the bottom of [[BelwarChronological list of Wars and Campaigns]] be satisfactory?<br>Eg*[http://books.google.com/books?id=jIUEAAAAQAAJ& pg=PP7 Memoirs of the early life and service of a field officer on the retired list of the Indian army]by Major David Price 1839 Google Books (service from 1780)*[http://books.google.com/books?id=sUjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR3 Military reminiscences: extracted from a journal of nearly forty years' active service in the East Indies Volume 1] by James Welsh of the Madras Establishment 1830 [Belwar http://books.google.com/books?id=8UjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PP13 Volume 2] (FortService from 1790)]]'''My *[http://www.archive.org/stream/fortyoneyearsin00unkngoog#page for Battle of Belwar Fort now has the link /n100/mode/1up Forty One Years in India: From subaltern to the gazetteer entry describing Belwar/Bilwa as 20 miles southeast commander-in-chief Volume 1] by Field Marshal Lord Roberts of Gorakhpur in 1857Kandahar 1897 Chapter 6 onwards. Archive. Whether it exists as a place now org (I don't knowdid put this one under Indian Mutiny) [http://www. Meanwhile separate articles is fine by mearchive.org/stream/fortyoneyearsin02robegoog#page/n11/mode/1up Volume 2] 1898 Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:44, 18 January 2010 (PST)

European regiments were amalgamated with the British Army in 1860. 'Native' regiments continued until the abolition of the Presidency Armies in the 1890s. So I think the logical approach is to suggest these general biographies could be put on the full chronology under the Presidency Army and, where the regiment survived the Mutinywar pages as well as any special Military Biography page.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:58, put the later title under the Indian Army with a redirection. Therefore the 7th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry is listed under Madras Infantry Regiments and the 7th Regiment of Madras Infantry is listed under the Indian Army Infantry Regiments. Do you think that is OK?<br>19 January 2010 (PST)

The same thing will apply Hi Sarah and Sy: i found out more about Major David Price and was able to place him, I hope correctly. James Welsh was in the Poligar War. Realised to day these are the European regimentsPolygar Wars. However what is there for the 1st Madras (European) Fusiliers will appear under Madras Infantry Regiments and its later incarnation 2nd Polygar War is a Category, not an article and does not come up in searching. Could you copy the 102nd information onto an artice, and I will add an external link. Thanks [[User:Maureene|Maureene]]Hi Sarah Thanks for altering this. [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:09, 21 January 2010 (Royal Madras FusiliersPST) Regiment should be listed under Indian Army Infantry Regiments.<br>

==More on Bengal Infantry ==I have got Peter's book and it has some useful detail about a suggestion for the structure problem I raised above. Please have a look at [[19th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry]] and tell me what you think. Maybe the armies but of course doesn't address these issues of cataloguingbox size/colour could be adjusted.<br>--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:58, 19 January 2010 (PST)

Thanks for sorting my muddle over where == Bengal regiments again ==Sounds fine to put the two articles on Madras Infantryme. I have only just realised how you format titles so they are at didn't like the top appearance of the list and not buried alphabetically/numerically.<br>boxed panel anyway

*'''Wars/battles dates in categories'''I do like have just expanded the idea table to four panels of chronological lists20 regiments with links filled in for the 74 regiment which existed in 1824. Is there This gives an easy way we can set this up so it can be done as we edit each event rather than going laboriously back through idea of the whole listpage. Comments?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:41, 19 January 2010 (PST)

*'''Recent edits'''I see you have been changing my ==Bengal Infantry Table== Known as 22nd Punjabis ==== to '''Known as 22nd Punjabis'''Well I am off for a month tomorrow morning and must draw a line under this. You will see that I assume this is because of have entered the first 30 odd regiments on the problem Bengal Infantry Table. I had earlier with have created some of the title appearing in early units as Battalions but there are still gaps and the index boxwhole thing needs a thorough going over as I am sure there are contradictions. If we could find another list of regiments as a cross check it would help. Ideally I was hoping don't think we are ready for this page to have the title go live yet so I haven't added a bit bigger than category link. Talk to you get using again at the '''Bold''' toolend of February. Any suggestions?<br>Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0109:4253, 30 March 2009 21 January 2010 (PST)==Hyderabad Contingent==Hi Sarah, I made an article for this, hope this was the right thing to do. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:33, 21 January 2010 (PDTPST)

== Bilwa Singapore==Thanks for the Hi Sarah I haven't read every link to of the newspaper article. medical history articles I have cut added, but most of the ones I did read had the names of people scattered throughout and pasted it onto some had quite a lot of names. Even the Belwar page as an image. Ideally it should be others I thought added a bit smaller. Can this sense of the social conditions at the time which could be done in of interest to those who had ancestors living at the Fibiwiki (time. I still have some other than the thumb option)?--links to add but will not do so if you think they are not relevant. Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1017:5405, 1 April 2009 8 February 2010 (PDTPST)

Well done for finding it on ==Citation and Doctor==Hi Sarah I have not been successful doing a citation and half the maparticle [[Doctor]] now doesn't appear. Must be Initially I put Notes at the end of Bengal Individuals and then at the end of the place article.Also I didn't know whether just to put==before Notes, or whether more were needed, as it checks with the coordinates was in the Gazetteera section that already had===. However, overriding all this I must have corrested done something incorrect as now nothing in the article appears after the coordinatescitation. Sorry [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 20:35, mounted a map extract and added the external link 10 February 2010 (PST)==Calcutta cemeteries==No time to your account of the Naval Brigadefinish off. Will do some more tomorrow night.--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1004:4152, 2 April 2009 14 February 2010 (PDTPST)

== Chronological Lists ==Picking out points in Thanks Sarah for the order of your comments:*Yes there are lots of battles that donlink you gave. I didn't form part of campaigns but generally during realise the Archive catalogue was on the MutinyBACSA site. If The way I knew more I might be able did the links seemed clearest to identify all the campaigns in the mutiny me, but I am not sure whether you may feel they would still include all the battles. Many of the battles could should be grouped where they were actions by a particular army unit such as the Sarun Field Force or the Central Indian Field Forcedone differently. I just don't know enough.*The page looks fine. What Regards category will it be under? Are we going to mix up campaigns and battles or have separate lists? What happens when a war spans two of your double decades? *Do we now need to go through the wars and campaigns and remove the dates in the title? This is laborious because you can't change the title of a category by moving it as you can with an article. As far as I know we will have to go through and change the internal links in all the battles associated with the particular campaign.<br>--[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1002:5937, 2 April 2009 15 February 2010 (PDTPST)

In reply to your reply== Bengal Infantry ==I would be happy with Bengal Infantry Finder. The highlighting helps legibility. I did think that the later tables which are not so wide could go side by side but that is beyond my powers. I have noticed some duplication in our Bengal Army pages:

We have '''Category:Bengal Infantry Regiments''' which lists all the Bengal infantry regiments and we have '''Bengal Army Regiments''' which also lists them (I think we should not muddle up Campaigns prefer the layout of the latter where 1st precedes 10th) plus a whole lot of local contingents most of which are post Mutiny and Battles on don't yet have articles plus regiments of the same Punjab Irregular Force which are duplicated under '''Category:Punjab Frontier Force Infantry'''. Then we have a list. Letof Punjab Infantry regiments in red but these in fact have articles with a different title under '''Category:Indian Army Infantry Regiments'''s just get on with the Campaigns chronological list and - see how we feel later22nd Punjab Infantry/22nd Regiment of Punjab Infantry.

I suggest for We seem to be getting in a muddle by on the one hand dividing the regiment list before and after the Mutiny and on the other trying to list all the Bengal Regiments up to the amalgamation of the few campaigns that overlap two double decades we put them Presidencies in 1895. The same applies to the section in which they startedcavalry regiments.

I'll have ago at adding think we should stick to the page and see how much of a mess I makeMutiny as the division point. What do you feel? In any case we need to add redirection to those in red which actually have articles.

Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0009:5657, 4 April 2009 25 February 2010 (PDTPST)

== H M Regiments Columns ==When I know it's picky but I don't like open the page the columnation has chopped up the title H.M.'s Regiments. Convention says we leave out last table so the apostrophe as in Hcolumn headings are separated.M. Government. It I think without columns is a clumsy looking beastthe lesser of two poor layouts. Also I have been corrected before by other editors Thanks for putting stops after initials (as in Jsorting the position of the reference. K. Rowling). Should we leave them out as well? What do you thinkwas the reason for it ?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:0238, 4 April 2009 2 March 2010 (PDTPST)

== 80th Regiment of Foot Bengal Infantry again again==--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:33Well, 12 May 2009 (PDT)thanks to your BL information I have recently come across several pages was able to sort out my spreadsheet and with imported text from Cathy Day's websitea bit of guesswork eliminated all the anomalies. From this I have edited them using your amendments recast the Bengal Infantry Finder looking at every one of the 19th Regiment of Foot as 550 cells again. I am sure there are a modelfew errors and I really should have one more trawl through but I was losing the will to live. Would I would like to have your comments now and a note of any mistakes you mind looking over them? They are so far 80th, 81st, 82nd and 84th Regtsfind by the odd spot check. I will then finish it off. Thanks--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:13, 9 April 2009 (PDT)

:Thanks for reviewing these pages Sarah. As usual your editing was accurate and succinct. It Since you also sent me some stuff on the other presidencies I thought I would be great to have articles as full as 84th Foot and a go at Madras Regiments. I always have to stop myself being dragged off on interesting lines of enquiry which pop up on the net. remember I guess the priority is tried to get the general framework developed and hope others will fill in over timesort them out last year with middling success.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0109:2421, 15 April 2009 14 March 2010 (PDT)

== 4th Gurkha Rifles ==Sorry Sarah: Thanks for the feedback. I have corrected the two blunders. Clearly 1795 was the year that Capt Williams used as a base year and where I got a temporary loss lot of my information from. In 1796 the 36 battalions were condensed into 12 regiments of griptwo battalions each. I should have realised there Pargana was already the Hindustani word for a pagetax area. There is an external link on each of the Purgunnah Battalion pages: [http://books.google. I'll qualify to fly solo one dayco.uk/books?id=MU-Ste-h1vMC&pg=PA67&dq=Purgunnah+Battalions&cd=1#v=onepage&q=Purgunnah%20Battalions&f=false Purgunnah Battalions] --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0008:4854, 6 May 2009 15 March 2010 (PDT)

== 33rd Punjabis Apothecary==I see you prefer a redirection hereHi Sarah. I thought about it but on balance took agree the other view. The question article is: do we include any title variation on the basis that someone may use that term in a search? If we dogetting long, there is no limit so it would be best to the number split of mistaken or ill-judged titles we admit.In this case I believe the proper title for the regiment was 33rd Punjab Regiment of Infantry. They were commonly called 33rd Punjabis and I have mentioned that on the page. I have never seen them (or any of the other Punjab Infantry) referred to Individuals as 33rd Punjabi Infantry. I therefore decided that title was better removed.However it's no big deal in the great scheme of things.--you suggest [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0817:5235, 6 May 2009 19 March 2010 (PDT)

== Chronological list of wars and campaigns Macao Expedition==I have just had a look at this seen no other Macao Expedition so have removed the date from the title and must say you have done a great job. It gives a really clear picture of added it to the order of eventschronological list. I know you suggested that I help with the construction, but in view of my recent ragged editing, have categorized it is probably just as well Wars and Campaigns (though it might equally be under Minor Campaigns) and Napoleonic War. I didn'thope you agree. Are we now going I have also changed the spelling to take the dates off the War titles as Valmay would prefer? Did you get anywhere with a method for this or will it be a tedious process?Do you think old spelling to link it would be a good idea to do a similar list for the NWF Campaigns? I am willing to lend Location page. Also a hand if few internal links and other stuff which perhaps you wishcould vet. I don't know Nick Adams - I hope he wont be upset but this surgery.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0008:4418, 8 May 2009 25 March 2010 (PDT):You have done a huge amount of work ==Forums/Message boards/ELs==Hi Sarah. I am sure Thanks for the chronological lists will be well worth itreasoning.--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0922:5038, 14 May 2009 8 April 2010 (PDT)

== 4th Hussars District Info box==There must be something strange about hi, I think we can use the old one with a slight alteration - add the link headquarter info to Shadows of Time. I have just tested it and remove the 4th Hussars Regimental Records page that you removed and altitude (as it works finevaries). It Coordinates would help with location. About the image: it should remain - does not necessarily have to be good to reinstate it if we can. It has for a wealth map - could be any interesting image of genealogical informationthe province. just my thoughts.--regards [[User:SymorsebrownRzafar|SyRzafar]] 0103:3319, 12 May 2009 16 April 2010 (PDT)

== 1st Belooch Regiment User status ==One of the ways I tried to fix the cite problem meant that sysops would lose editing rights, unless they were a member of another group that had editing rights, so I added you to the bot group too. I'm not using that way now, so I can remove you if you prefer.

OK FineBTW - I also changed the CSS so that cite references are slightly smaller and highlighted blue when clicked whilst I was playing with it. I'll reinstate think it. If makes it doesn't have a category where does easier to see which ref you are being referred to, but if you prefer the old way I can change it lurk?back. --[[User:SymorsebrownValmay|SyFIBIS Webmaster]] 1014:57, 15 May 2009 June 2010 (PDTUTC)

== Agra rail map [[Civil Service reading list]]==Additional wording suggested:After "Check the FIBIS Online Bookshop for availability of recommended titles and more information" add: under the heading Indian Civil Service.

Also add [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/books/review/30sherman.html New York Times Review] Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 05:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC) == Naval matters ==Thanks Sarah. I uploaded was unaware of this section. I have two articles: Shannon's Naval Brigade and Pearl's Naval Brigade. I have made categories for each. Do you think these categories should be removed and the Agra rail map articles put under Category:Naval and Maritime? or maybe Category:Navy?. I would like your advice. Thanks.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:30, 12 July 2010 (no worries about copyrightUTC)  == 19th Light Dragoons ==You are quite right Sarah. I was drunk with power and popped didn't check the links. In principle I think we should use the contemporary regiment titles when listing the forces of a particular campaign. That means we either need an article for that title with a redirect or we put in a portmanteau link. I don't think it realistic to create articles and redirects for all the former titles so inevitably we have many many portmanteau internal links. It will never be black and white however so I am happy for you to reinstate 19th Light Dragoons. I don't think I am able to do it.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC) == Internal/external links ==Has Hugh discussed this issue with you? Have a look at my post on his page.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC) == Historic Guns ==I have just had a look at this article and think you have done a great job sorting out the pictures. It is editing far beyond my capabilities. Am I right that there are still a few Sutlej guns to be formatted? Let me know when you reckon you have finished so we can ask Elizabeth Hancox for her comments.  The guns page led me to do a couple of new articles under Ordnance. Any comments on Infantry Weapons and Mountain Guns would be appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC) == Map template ==I have just made a Google Map of the 17thC HEIC Factories locations. Realising that the Battle Map template is not appropriate, I have tried to make a new Map template. Have a look at the Agra East India Company page. You suggested It is rather crude and, if we use the map image I have chosen, the text would be better below the image. If you have time to refine it, I would attend be grateful.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 17:47, 12 November 2010 (UTC) ==Green Template link to FIBIS Google Books Library==Hi Sarah. I have noticed the link is broken for some of the links from the green template to the FIBIS Google Books Library,, eg for the template on [[Indian Mutiny]], [[Burma]], [[Life in India#Passage to India]]. I tried to replace these links , based on one which is still working which is located on the page [[British India]]. On my first, and only attempt, on the page [[Indian Mutiny]] I was partially successful, in that the link goes to the Google Books Library, but it doesn't go to the stationscategory Indian Mutiny. Can Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 21:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Hi Sarah currently I ask have a favour? working link, although for how long I don't know. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC) == Reginald Malpas Gore ==Hello Sarah<br />I have now received from David Gore better res images of his father's photos. I created content for "How have put them on the page but as usual my limited skills have been unable to interpret arrange them neatly without encroaching on the paragraph below. Could you please work your magic on them? They are all thumbnails as this infobox" seems the only format which can includes the title. Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 12:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC) :Just to let you know I have fixed the images by adding a gallery. --[[User:Valmay|FIBIS Webmaster]] 17:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC) == People by occupation ==Thanks for your message Sarah. You are the wiki expert so I'll go along with however you feel it should be organised. When I started the Military Commanders biographies I found a lot of single people under Ocupations so I relocated them to People. I have also created a Category for Military Commanders with British, French, Indian and Other subcategories. If you feel this needs re-casting, please let me know. The sticking point for me was putting East India Company under Category:People by clicking Occupation when it is manifestly neither a person or an occupation. Thanks for your help.--[[How to interpret this infoboxUser:Symorsebrown|hereSy]]07:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC) == Battle of Josshouse Hill ==Someone has inserted irrelevant text on this page and the Talk page. I need someone have undone it. You might have a look at the History to critically cast their eye over what check I have written done the right thing.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC) ==Journal cover pic==Noted, although it has been on the page [[FIBIS Journal]] since November 2009, and was uoloaded by another. Would it be possible to upload some, or all of the FIBIS Journal covers, which are cuurently used for the Journals in the FIBIS shop and come back I could add them to the page [[FIBIS Journal]]. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 12:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC) == Images ==Hi Sarah<br />Belated thanks for organising all the images in the Elizabeth Guns article. Sorry I didn't enter them correctly first time. Having been out of circulation for a while I missed the notifications. Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 12:10, 31 October 2011 (PDT) ==Indian Subordinate Medical Service==Hi Sarah, the ISM Service is different to the ISM Department, according to me this Google Books link http://books.google.com.au/books?id=PShpbwti_3EC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Indian+Subordinate+Medical+Service&source=bl&ots=RpsqnAStyB&sig=POStCCl2jHkwfNhmvvUIUPih-9U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cBXoUpiKOIq4iQeyvYHQDA&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Indian%20Subordinate%20Medical%20Service&f=false - Regards[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] ([[User talk:Maureene|talk]]) ==Apothecary==Hi Sarah, I must say I don’t agree with straightforward observations like "the quick definition of Apothecary which has been added. “Initially, under the East India Company, this was a junior medical orderly.”  I would have wanted don’t think it could be said that an Apothecary was ever a junior medical orderly, at least not in Australian terms, where an orderly does nothing to know aout X do with matters of treatment at all. Maybe when they first started their training as boys this terminology might apply, but not trained Apothecaries. In 1812 boys were to be trained as “Compounders and Dressers, and ultimately as Apothecaries and Sub Assistant Surgeons” If you read down the Apothecary page it only told me Ysays “Medical College training for Hospital Apprentices was introduced in 1847 in Bengal following the system that had previously been successfully introduced in Madras." (General Order 200" dated 15 June 1847 is about Apprenticeships in the Bengal Subordinate Medical Department. It sets out that candidates would sit an examination to become an apprentice. Those successful would serve for two years as an apprentice in the Hospital of a European Regiment or General Hospital. They then may be selected by the Medical Board for a studentship in the Medical College. They would then attend a two year course of study comprising Anatomy, Dissection, Materia Medica, Pharmaceutical Chemistry, the practice of Medicine and Surgery and more especially clinical instruction in connection with the last two branches. At the end of the two years they were to undergo an examination. If successful they were to be drafted to European Regiments or to the General Hospital, there to wait their turn for promotion as Assistant Apothecaries or Assistant Stewards. Promotion to Apothecary was also to be by examination. Even comparing an Apothecary to a senior nurse is not correct, at least for the Australian situation, because no nurses would have studied, or would perform surgery. I can think a lower ranked doctor would be more accurate terminology, or possibly a senior nurse who performed surgery. By the time the Indian Army was established in 1895, the term Assistant Surgeon was the term then add Zused, and I believe by training they were regarded as fully qualified medical men.) Would you mind? <br> Regards [[User:HughWildingMaureene|HughWildingMaureene]] 13([[User talk:32Maureene|talk]]) <br>Sarah, 15 May 2009 now changed, per your comment on my User page [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] (PDT[[User talk:Maureene|talk]])1 February 2014