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Thanks for reverting : I think it is great to draw attention to the BACSA maps on the Fibiwiki Main Page. I just think the link is confusing. Can we link to a Google Maps window showing all the maps as you can when you are logged in and click My Maps? If not, a link Sarahto the [http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps Category:Campaigns_with_FIBIS_Battle_Maps] with extra explanation would be fine. To me Battle Map or Battlemap indicates a plan showing the disposal of the armed forces on the ground.Campaign maps seems more appropriate or is that just too pedantic?
I have no connection with BACSA but I do know that John Kendall, who is :On our FIBIS database personearlier subject of what comes under Battles, was doing a search facility for BACSA. I think that what you have found is the prototype (his company is Frontis). I would think that it would be sensible to wait until it is properly tied in to helpful if the title were 'Battles and Actions' as was the main BACSA site before we made any links. There are a couple of felloworiginal table?--FIBIS trustees who are also BACSA folk and I could make enquiries if you wish.[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:21, 16 October 2009 (PDT)
Would you also revert the info and link ==Photographs==I need a clarification for the BACSA archival files at the British Librarya photograph. The reason it appeared so clumsily setup was out of necessity. The link you set Can I put up was session dependent, so copyright photograph if you try I ask the photographer for permission (via email) for it now to be uploaded to this site. It would still retain it will not workcopyright status. Sadly there appears It would be for photographs for which free images are difficult to get. Also it can be no way around this, which removed once a free image is why I opted for my methodfound. Thanks.Regards[[User:EleanorNeilRzafar|EleanorNeilRzafar]] 1307:0251, 25 March 7 November 2009 (PDTPST)
Sarah I appreciate your interest== Biographies ==Glad you approve. I am an old-fashioned librarian and thus slightly obsessive about detail, but mistakes still happen so was going to ask you: Is it is nice worthwhile putting all the biographies on the War page in addition to know that someone is keeping the specific ones on the Battles pages? I thought a watchful eye on my worklist in the War article would be helpful.[[User:EleanorNeil|EleanorNeil]] 10:33, 27 March 2009 (PDT)
== Page title/web search ==Following our earlier discussion on There is a wealth of information in the best title archive books that Maureen has found and which I am beginning to encourage hits explore. Finding them on the web archive site is not very easy. I have been looking at found Volumes 1 and 2 of the Regiment titles. The most obvious search term being Duke of Wellington's despatches but not a later one covering the shortest, people are likely to look for say "61st Bengal Infantry" or "69th Punjabis". A large number of our titles have Regiment e.g. "38th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry"4th Mysore War. I doncan't think we need decide whether this is because it was not published (wouldn'Regiment oft they have covered his whole period?) or that it has not been digitized (woudn' in the title except perhaps for the Britsh Army Infantry but even 2nd Regiment t they have done all of Foot is likely to be entered as 2nd Footthem?). There is a mixed approach here. What do you think is the best course?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1005:0208, 25 March 2009 6 January 2010 (PDTPST)
And another point. Many titles have extra detail in brackets such as (Hodson's Horse) or (Seaforth Highlanders). Should we be shortening these?:Thanks for finding Vol III--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1001:1026, 25 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)
:Thanks for doing thisHi Sarah and Sy. I hope you don't mind me leaving these things to youThe online book in question was written in 1846 and the Regiment was then called the 3rd Light Dragoons. I don't feel confident enough think this is a different regiment to put stuff in the right place17th Dragoons, which was called 3rd Light Dragoons at a much earlier date.--Regards[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0302:3502, 28 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)
== 30 March ==*'''I am struggling with a head full of Bengal Infantry at the moment. If you agree with the above we could change the title and put a note on the 100th page "coming soon". I will put it on my list.--[[BelwarUser:Symorsebrown|Sy]] & [[Belwar 07:56, 18 January 2010 (FortPST)]]'''My page for Battle of Belwar Fort now has the link to the gazetteer entry describing Belwar/Bilwa as 20 miles southeast of Gorakhpur in 1857. Whether it exists as a place now I don't know. Meanwhile separate articles is fine by me.
*'''Madras infantry matters'''== Bengal Infantry ==It is all very confusing because Sarah, I have had a shot at a table to access the names of various regiments changed so oftenat different times. If Would you have mind having a look at 7th Regiment of Madras Native Infantry you will see that they were once 7th Regiment of Madras [[Bengal InfantryTable]]. Both names appear The idea is to list the regiments in chronological order for each of the critical dates and link the various infantry regiment lists and as they refer number to the same unit relevant regiment page. I have put in a redirect few as an example. I now realise that this wont cover all the variables. For instance 19th Battalion was raised in 1764 but was broken up in 1781. This doesn't feature so far on our regiment pages which only covers the replacement 19th which is shown on our page for 7th [[17th Regiment of Madras Bengal Native Infantry]].<br>Any suggestions as to how we can address this?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 11:09, 18 January 2010 (PST)
European ==Military online autobiographies==Hi Sarah and Sy: Can you suggest a page for military autobiographies where they seem to have changed regiments were amalgamated with a lot, so you can’t put them on the British Army Regiments page, I can't work what war or battle to place them in 1860, but the book seems to contain content of interest. 'Native' regiments continued until Would a section on the abolition bottom of [[Chronological list of the Presidency Armies in the 1890sWars and Campaigns]] be satisfactory?<br>Eg*[http://books.google. So I think the logical approach is to put com/books?id=jIUEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PP7 Memoirs of the full chronology under the Presidency Army early life and, where service of a field officer on the regiment survived the Mutiny, put the later title under retired list of the Indian Army with army]by Major David Price 1839 Google Books (service from 1780)*[http://books.google.com/books?id=sUjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PR3 Military reminiscences: extracted from a redirection. Therefore journal of nearly forty years' active service in the 7th Regiment East Indies Volume 1] by James Welsh of the Madras Native Infantry is listed under Madras Infantry Regiments and the 7th Regiment Establishment 1830 [http://books.google.com/books?id=8UjRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PP13 Volume 2] (Service from 1790)*[http://www.archive.org/stream/fortyoneyearsin00unkngoog#page/n100/mode/1up Forty One Years in India: From subaltern to commander-in-chief Volume 1] by Field Marshal Lord Roberts of Madras Infantry is listed Kandahar 1897 Chapter 6 onwards. Archive.org (I did put this one under the Indian Army Infantry RegimentsMutiny) [http://www.archive. Do you think that is OK?<br>org/stream/fortyoneyearsin02robegoog#page/n11/mode/1up Volume 2] 1898 Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:44, 18 January 2010 (PST)
The same thing will apply to the European regiments. 1st Madras (European) Fusiliers will appear under Madras Infantry Regiments and its later incarnation the 102nd (Royal Madras Fusiliers) Regiment should be listed under Indian Army Infantry Regiments.<br>
Thanks for sorting my muddle over where Hi Sarah and Sy: i found out more about Major David Price and was able to put place him, I hope correctly. James Welsh was in the two articles on Madras InfantryPoligar War. I have only just realised how you format titles so they Realised to day these are at the top of Polygar Wars.However what is there for the list 1st and 2nd Polygar War is a Category, not an article and does not buried alphabetically/numericallycome up in searching. Could you copy the information onto an artice, and I will add an external link. Thanks [[User:Maureene|Maureene]]Hi Sarah Thanks for altering this.<br>[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:09, 21 January 2010 (PST)
*'''Wars/battles dates in categories'''==More on Bengal Infantry ==I do like have a suggestion for the idea problem I raised above. Please have a look at [[19th Regiment of chronological listsBengal Native Infantry]] and tell me what you think. Is there an easy way we can set this up so it can Maybe the box size/colour could be done as we edit each event rather than going laboriously back through the whole list?adjusted.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:58, 19 January 2010 (PST)
*'''Recent edits'''I see you have been changing my ==== Known as 22nd Punjabis ==Bengal regiments again == Sounds fine to '''Known as 22nd Punjabis'''me. I assume this is because didn't like the appearance of the problem I had earlier with the title appearing in the index box. Ideally I was hoping to have the title a bit bigger than you get using the '''Bold''' tool. Any suggestions?<br>--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:42, 30 March 2009 (PDT)boxed panel anyway
== Bilwa ==Thanks for I have just expanded the link table to four panels of 20 regiments with links filled in for the newspaper article74 regiment which existed in 1824. I have cut and pasted it onto This gives an idea of the Belwar whole page as an image. Ideally it should be a bit smaller. Can this be done in the Fibiwiki (other than the thumb option)Comments?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1007:5441, 1 April 2009 19 January 2010 (PDTPST)
In reply ==Citation and Doctor==Hi Sarah I have not been successful doing a citation and half the article [[Doctor]] now doesn't appear. Initially I put Notes at the end of Bengal Individuals and then at the end of the article.Also I didn't know whether just to put==before Notes, or whether more were needed, as it was in a section that already had===. However, overriding all this I must have done something incorrect as now nothing in the article appears after the citation. Sorry [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 20:35, 10 February 2010 (PST)==Calcutta cemeteries==No time to your replyfinish off. Will do some more tomorrow night. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:52, 14 February 2010 (PST)
--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 00:56, 4 April 2009 (PDT)We seem to be getting in a muddle by on the one hand dividing the regiment list before and after the Mutiny and on the other trying to list all the Bengal Regiments up to the amalgamation of the Presidencies in 1895. The same applies to the cavalry regiments.
== H M Regiments ==I know it's picky but I don't like the title H.M.'s Regiments. Convention says think we leave out should stick to the apostrophe Mutiny as in H.M. Government. It is a clumsy looking beast. Also I have been corrected before by other editors for putting stops after initials (as in Jthe division point. K. Rowling). Should we leave them out as well? What do you thinkfeel?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:02, 4 April 2009 (PDT)In any case we need to add redirection to those in red which actually have articles.
== 80th Regiment of Foot ==Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0109:3357, 12 May 2009 25 February 2010 (PDT)I have recently come across several pages with imported text from Cathy Day's website. I have edited them using your amendments of the 19th Regiment of Foot as a model. Would you mind looking over them? They are so far 80th, 81st, 82nd and 84th Regts. Thanks--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:13, 9 April 2009 (PDTPST)
:Thanks for reviewing these pages Sarah. As usual your editing was accurate and succinct. It would be great to have articles as full as 84th Foot and == Columns ==When I always have to stop myself being dragged off on interesting lines of enquiry which pop open the page the columnation has chopped up on the netlast table so the column headings are separated. I guess think without columns is the priority is to get lesser of two poor layouts. Thanks for sorting the position of the general framework developed and hope others will fill in over timereference.What was the reason for it ?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:2438, 15 April 2009 2 March 2010 (PDTPST)
== 33rd Punjabis ==I see Since you prefer a redirection here. I thought about it but also sent me some stuff on balance took the other view. The question is: do we include any title variation on the basis that someone may use that term in a search? If we do, there is no limit to the number of mistaken or ill-judged titles we admit.In this case presidencies I believe the proper title for the regiment was 33rd Punjab Regiment of Infantry. They were commonly called 33rd Punjabis and thought I would have mentioned that on the pagea go at Madras Regiments. I have never seen remember I tried to sort them (or any of the other Punjab Infantry) referred to as 33rd Punjabi Infantry. I therefore decided that title was better removed.However it's no big deal in the great scheme of thingsout last year with middling success.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0809:5221, 6 May 2009 14 March 2010 (PDT)
== Chronological list of wars and campaigns ==: Thanks for the feedback. I have just had corrected the two blunders. 1795 was the year that Capt Williams used as a look at this base year and must say you have done a great job. It gives where I got a really clear picture lot of the order of eventsmy information from. I know you suggested that I help with In 1796 the construction, but in view 36 battalions were condensed into 12 regiments of my recent ragged editing, it is probably just as well I didn'ttwo battalions each. Are we now going to take Pargana was the dates off the War titles as Valmay would prefer? Did you get anywhere with a method Hindustani word for this or will it be a tedious process?Do you think it would be a good idea to do a similar list for tax area. There is an external link on each of the NWF CampaignsPurgunnah Battalion pages: [http://books.google.co.uk/books? I am willing to lend a hand if you wish.id=MU-Ste-[[User:Symorsebrown|Syh1vMC&pg=PA67&dq=Purgunnah+Battalions&cd=1#v=onepage&q=Purgunnah%20Battalions&f=false Purgunnah Battalions]] 00:44, 8 May 2009 (PDT):You have done a huge amount of work Sarah. I am sure the chronological lists will be well worth it. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0908:5054, 14 May 2009 15 March 2010 (PDT)
OK Fine== Digital Library of India ==Maureen has just put a link on the Indian Mutiny page to the Digital Library of India. Ican'll reinstate t seem to make itconnect to anything coherent. If Is it doesn't me? The same link is on 13th BNI page. BTW I have found the archive.org History of the Indian Mutiny which I have a category where does it lurk?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 10:57, 15 May 2009 (PDT):(see Special Pages, List redirects) Where it that?added.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0409:5156, 16 May 2009 7 June 2010 (PDTUTC)
I am afraid this exercise is involving you in a lot of work which has been caused by my dating the campaignsAlso add [http://www. Thanks for getting it back on tracknytimes. And thanks for doing the NWF Chronological List – a great assetcom/2006/04/30/books/review/30sherman.:Do you mean a chronological list of battles in each war? Sounds like a lot of work.I have been (rather patchily) adding Actions on the various War pages.--html New York Times Review] Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1305:5236, 20 May 2009 26 June 2010 (PDTUTC)
A few comments on == Naval matters ==Thanks Sarah. I was unaware of this section. I have two articles: Shannon's Naval Brigade and Pearl's Naval Brigade. I have made categories for each. Do you think these categories should be removed and the latest batcharticles put under Category:Naval and Maritime? or maybe Category:Navy?. I would like your advice. Thanks.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Battles no longer appear on == 19th Light Dragoons ==You are quite right Sarah. I was drunk with power and didn't check the Browse Content section links. In principle I think we should use the contemporary regiment titles when listing the forces of a particular campaign. That means we either need an article for that title with a redirect or we put in a portmanteau link. I don't think it realistic to create articles and redirects for all the Main Page but are under Wars former titles so inevitably we have many many portmanteau internal links. It will never be black and Campaignswhite however so I am happy for you to reinstate 19th Light Dragoons. I don't think I am able to do it. Shouldn’t they be a separate category under Military?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
If you put “Battles” into the Search Box the first item is ‘List of Battles & Actions in British India 1600-1900’. Peter agreed some time ago that == Internal/external links ==Has Hugh discussed this list is redundant now that the majority of Battles have edited pages. I put it in the For Deletion category temporarily issue with you? Have a suggestion that it should not be deleted but put in archive somewhere. Generally speaking we don’t want users accessing this list let alone wasting time editing itlook at my post on his page.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Baizai Expedition: You == Historic Guns ==I have added ‘The Baizai Expedition of 1849 saw just had a look at this article and think you have done a great job sorting out the Battle of Baizai Territory’pictures. The original Battle entry was ‘Battle of Baizai Territory’ but like many others it wasn’t a battle but a NWF campaignIt is editing far beyond my capabilities. Am I converted it to Baizai Expedition. If you put ‘Baizai Territory’ into Search you get the Location page with right that there are still a circular reference back few Sutlej guns to the expedition! As be formatted? Let me know when you know there is a page titled ‘Battle of Baizai Territory’ but it is one of those phantom pages without a category which takes reckon you round the circle again. Surely it have finished so we can be deleted.:I now appreciate what you say about double redirects. I will try to check ask Elizabeth Hancox for links as I go alongher comments.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:52, 20 May 2009 (PDT)
Bozdari Expedition: Same issues as Baizai ExpeditionThe guns page led me to do a couple of new articles under Ordnance. Any comments on Infantry Weapons and Mountain Guns would be appreciated.
Battle of UmbeylaThanks. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13: Another of those phantom pages. I have added a link to the Location page “Umbeyla”.48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
== Mharwara Battalion ==My brief research suggests that Mhairwara is correct. I think move it. I agree we should omit The from titles. I will move them as :Just to let you know I go throughhave fixed the images by adding a gallery.--[[User:SymorsebrownValmay|SyFIBIS Webmaster]] 1317:5212, 20 May 2009 2 February 2011 (PDTUTC)
Hyderabad State Forces: His Exalted Highness == Battle of Josshouse Hill ==Someone has inserted irrelevant text on this page and the Talk page. I have undone it. You might have a look at the History to check I have done the Nizam’s Regular Forces: Deccan District right thing.-- Hyderabad Headquarters<br> 1st (Nizam’s Own) Hyderabad Imperial Service Lancers[[User: Asufnagar<br> 2nd (Nizam’s Own) Hyderbad Imperial Service LancersSymorsebrown|Sy]] 07: Golconda. Chawan Muhamundi<br> 3rd Hyderabad (Nizam’s Own) Golconda Lancers: Golconda Fort<br> Hyderabad Cavalry Training Squadron: Asafnagar<br> ‘A’ Battery01, Hyderabad Horse Artillery: Mullapalli<br> 1st Hyderabad Infantry: Goshamahal<br> 2nd Hyderabad Infantry: Chandraingutta<br> 3rd Hyderabad Infantry 29 April 2011 (Nizam’s OwnUTC): Saifabad<br> Hyderabad Infantry Training Company: Nampally, Saifabad<br>
We may find other Princely State Forces ==Journal cover pic==Noted, although it has been on the page [[FIBIS Journal]] since November 2009, and was uoloaded by another. Would it be possible to upload some, or all of the FIBIS Journal covers, which will require categoriesare cuurently used for the Journals in the FIBIS shop and I could add them to the page [[FIBIS Journal]]. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 12:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyway I got distracted tracking down the Madras Infantry Regiments. This led me to trying to sort out the Madras Cavalry Regiments which kept changing numbers in accordance with == Images ==Hi Sarah<br />Belated thanks for organising all the age of their commanding officers! I am images in the middle of recasting themElizabeth Guns article. Generally Sorry I am redirecting didn't enter them to the later incarnations in the Indian Army Cavalry but sometimes the changing numbers will require alternative redirections depending on which year you want to find the regimentcorrectly first time. Clear as mud? Having been out of circulation for a while I have chosen the page entry titles as in 1788 for pre-Mutiny entries in missed the Madras Cavalry and 1903 for the post Mutiny entries in the Indian Army Cavalry. I hope this works outnotifications.Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1112:4410, 4 June 2009 31 October 2011 (PDT)
== Google Maps ==How do you think “Initially, under the maps are coming? The ones relating to my three new subcategories of 1st Afghan War could be linked now though they will need East India Company, this was a few refinements. I haven't spent any time investigating how to use your Map Template yetjunior medical orderly.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:22, 10 June 2009 (PDT)”
== Wars ==Hi Sarah. I don’t think the wars infobox is great. I also like the way the map template fits under it.<br>May I suggest: *We have used numerals for the war titles generally (1st Afghan War) but letters for the title in the infobox (First Afghan War). Should we could be consistent or is there said that an Apothecary was ever a better reason junior medical orderly, at least not in Australian terms, where an orderly does nothing to change? *The date format 1839-42 seems to have become our norm rather than 1777 to 1782do with matters of treatment at all. *I am uncertain about what should go into the Links section. In the 1st Afghan War article we have the category and its subcategories; which is fine Maybe when they first started their training as boys this terminology might apply, but not trained Apothecaries. In the 1st Maratha War category we have the same category which of course is not a link 1812 boys were to itself.<br>Actually I am still confused be trained as to when entries should be articles or categories. The 1st Afghan War article has the infobox, troop strength, recommended reading “Compounders and external links. The category has troops strengthDressers, subcategories and articles including the 1st Afghan War article. Isn't there a certain amount of duplication/circularity here? Also it is the 1st Maratha War category that has the infobox ultimately as there is no article. Do you intend that all the category pages have an article page of the same name where the infobox Apothecaries and detailed information resides?<br>Anyway the infobox is a great idea and I will happily add it to the war pages as I go if you can get through my muddle.<br>Thanks for recent edits by the way. Sometimes I feel like a careless child whose parent is forever tidying up after them.<br> Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 05:13, 24 July 2009 (PDT)Sub Assistant Surgeons”
== 16th Irregular Cavalry ==Sorry If you read down the Apothecary page it says “Medical College training for Hospital Apprentices was introduced in 1847 in Bengal following the system that was a typo. I can see you are right on my tail so I had better confesspreviously been successfully introduced in Madras. I am trawling through "General Order 200" dated 15 June 1847 is about Apprenticeships in the regiments using the archive link Bengal Subordinate Medical Department. It sets out that candidates would sit an examination to regimentsbecome an apprentice.org and filling Those successful would serve for two years as an apprentice in those units which mutinied. This has caused some renaming and alteration the Hospital of former redirectionsa European Regiment or General Hospital. I fear I They then may have left a trail of destruction. The principle I am trying to follow is be selected by the Medical Board for a page for the regiment before the mutiny studentship in the Bengal Army Medical College. They would then attend a new page for two year course of study comprising Anatomy, Dissection, Materia Medica, Pharmaceutical Chemistry, the successor regiment practice of Medicine and Surgery and more especially clinical instruction in connection with the Indian Armylast two branches. In fact I believe At the regiments end of the two years they were reformed about 1861 and to undergo an examination. If successful they were actually still in to be drafted to European Regiments or to the Bengal Army and were only later moved into the Indian Army after the abolition of the Presidencies in the 1890sGeneral Hospital, there to wait their turn for promotion as Assistant Apothecaries or Assistant Stewards. I can't see a cleaner way of dividing it at the momentPromotion to Apothecary was also to be by examination. Any comments?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 11:07, 30 July 2009 (PDT)
== Welcome Break ==Even comparing an Apothecary to a senior nurse is not correct, at least for the Australian situation, because no nurses would have studied, or would perform surgery. I will think a lower ranked doctor would be away from 3-20 August so you will have more accurate terminology, or possibly a respite from my errorssenior nurse who performed surgery.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 11:07, 30 July 2009 (PDT)
== Chronologies ==Oh Gawd, it all seemed so simple when I started out!<br> I originally decided to allocate regiments as follows<br>'''The Madras, Bengal and Bombay Army listings would contain:'''<br>a) regiments under their originating name which didn't survive By the mutiny .<br>b) regiments which were formed before 1895 (when time the Indian Army was officially designated) using their original name. These would generally have a redirection to the listing established in the Indian Army under their later name.<br> '''The Indian Army listings would contain:'''<br>a) all regiments formed before the mutiny with continuity through 1895 listed under their 1895 name<br>b) regiments which were formed after , the mutiny listed under their originating name.<br> You are right that the 17th Bengal Native Infantry ceased to exist during the mutiny and the name term Assistant Surgeon was given for three years (I have no idea why) to the Sirmoor Rifle Regiment which later became the 2nd Gurkha Rifles. As there was no connection between the units I have not made a link between the two. But you are right to point out that someone may be searching for the '1861' 17th Bengal Native Infantry not the '1765' 17th Bengal Native Infantry term then used, and would not easily find it. I guess some reference to the later use of the name would be a good ideabelieve by training they were regarded as fully qualified medical men.<br>Another point is that, under my methodology, the Sirmoor Battalion should be listed under Bengal Infantry Regiments with a redirection to 2nd Gurkha Rifles.<br> Now for the problem of the 12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry Shah Shujah was the ruler the British put on the throne in the 1st Afghan War. His unit was taken into the Bengal Army after the war as The Regiment of Khelat-i-Ghilzie. I got into a muddle because the title 12th Bengal Native Infantry was used both for the regiment that mutinied and the one that became the Bombay Pioneers. I hope I have now disentangled it by changing the name of 12th Bengal Native Infantry in the Indian Army Infantry to 12th (Khelat-i-Ghilzie) Bengal Infantry and by reinstating 12th Regiment of Bengal Native Infantry under Bengal Infantry with a comment on the subsequent use of the name. There is an entry for 12th Bengal Native Infantry without a category and with a redirection to 12th Bengal Native Infantry (but there seems to be a double redirect in there which I can't figure out). Let me know your opinion on the allocation of entries to the various armies. Regards--[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 08:54, 31 July 2009 (PDT) == Affghanistan! ==For once my misspelling was intentional. The Battle Honours were awarded with the spelling of the time and that is how they are recorded in the regimental archives. I have taken the view that they should be entered verbatim e.g Mooltan, Pekin etc. I haven't changed it back in case you have a strong contrary view. Regards --[[Usertalk:SymorsebrownMaureene|Sytalk]] 06:31, 10 September 2009 (PDT) == Oude Campaign ==Brave or foolish. I fully admit that I am rather unclear as to the various phases of the Mutiny but I thought if I plunged in things might unravel. One of the puzzles is the lists I have recently found of actions in the Oude Campaign do not include those I previously came across involving Brigadier Troup. For the moment I have put them all on one page. Another is that the so-called Delhi Campaign includes a lot more that the Siege of Delhi. Also for a long time I have been trying to get further details on the Trans-Gogra Campaign - was it part of the Oude Campaign or something separate? There was also a Trans-Rapti Campaign. My Google Earth Placemarks show graphically the locations of all the Indian Mutiny actions I have researched and I will perhaps be able to allocate the battles to the campaigns using that. To do this though I need to give a different colour to the mutiny placemarks to distinguish them from the hundreds of other battles. Not sure if I can face that at the moment. I think I will just plug on with the fibiwiki. I might start some Google Maps with different coloured placemarks for the different commanding officers. Could bring some clarity. If you know of anyone with a better grasp of the Mutiny<br>Sarah, I would welcome some enlightenment. I have been relying largely on the book by Saul David which I get out of the library periodically.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:03, 11 September 2009 (PDT) == FIBIS Library ==I have just seen the e-mail about the FIBIS Google Book Library. I know we talked about this some time ago because I remember asking someone how to group the books into separate categories. Did I ever give you my Google Library for incorporating? There are over 200 separate entries. I presume I could export the list.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 01:29now changed, 11 September 2009 (PDT) == Madras NI ==Sorry. Put it down to drink/drugs/senility.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:27, 15 September 2009 (PDT) == Image Upload ==I see from per your edit of Battle of Aong that the image has disappeared. The history says that I uploaded it from the University of Texas map collection in January 2008. Can't understand where it has gone.Anyway trying to recap I couldn't find Aong comment on the U of T maps but I did find Pandoo Nuddee which was on the same day and about a mile away. I was about to upload it when I remembered that you created an image upload template. I can't remember where to find it. Please could you remind me. Thanks.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:07, 30 September 2009 (PDT) == Jheeghun ==Sorry. I have fixed the coordinates. Jheeghun is described as 17 miles from Chutterpore (Chhatarpur). You probably noticed that by mapping the Nerbudda Fild Force route I finally pinpointed Kurrereah as Kararia. I also managed to correct Bhowragarh location. Small triumphs!--[[my User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 02:15, 6 October 2009 (PDT) == Amritsar ==I liked the photo of the young Sikhs around the Jallianwala Bagh fountain even if it is not "historical". It's a sobering place to visit. As for the licence, you know I'm pretty hazy on this subject. I will go with whatever you think appropriate.<br>Is the Massacre a bit too one sided to be under Battles? We have the Delhi massacre in that category. We also have the Battle of Trimmoo Ghaut which should be called a massacre as John Nicholson annihilated the 46th BNI. Again there is Cawnpore (Bibigarh) which was no battle but the slaughter of helpless prisoners. Also I am about to write a page for the destruction of the 26th BNI which was wiped out at Ajnala after surrendering. Maybe we should have a Category:Outrages but it is dangerously subjective. A FIBIS policy decision?<br>I have also made a few pages recently for the outbreak of mutiny at various locations. I have put them under Indian Mutiny obviously but also under Battles and used the Battle Info Box. They can't really go under Mutinies as they would look as though they were separate from the Indian Mutiny. Any suggestions?--[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 10:38, 14 October 2009 (PDT) == Campaign Maps ==I have just found on the Fibiwiki Main Page the link to Fibiwiki Battle Maps. This leads to 44 maps on 9 pages. The inconsistent thing is that they are not battle maps but war or campaign maps. They are also in a random order and as far as I can see you can't search for a title. If you put Sind Campaign into the search bar you get Campaign Court, Chantry Close, Westminster, London W9, UK! They are also in Map format though Terrain format would be preferable. I don't think this is the most helpful link. Have you any influence?--[[Usertalk:SymorsebrownMaureene|Sytalk]] 10:38, 15 October 2009 (PDT)1 February 2014
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== Indian Army Jheeghun ==Sorry. I have added fixed the coordinates. Jheeghun is described as 17 miles from Chutterpore (BritishChhatarpur) to your edit of "Category:Indian Army" to distinguish it from Indian Army 1858-95 and . You probably noticed that by mapping the post-Independence Indian Army both of which you find if you Google "Indian Army"Nerbudda Fild Force route I finally pinpointed Kurrereah as Kararia. I also found the informative Wikipedia page "Indian Army 1895-1947" which I have added managed to external links. Hope you approvecorrect Bhowragarh location.Small triumphs!--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0502:2115, 24 March 6 October 2009 (PDT)
== Amritsar ==I liked the photo of the young Sikhs around the Jallianwala Bagh fountain even if it is not "historical". It's all beinning a sobering place to visit. As for the licence, you know I'm pretty hazy on this subject. I will go with whatever you think appropriate.<br>Is the Massacre a bit too one sided to be under Battles? We have the Delhi massacre in that category. We also have the Battle of Trimmoo Ghaut which should be called a massacre as John Nicholson annihilated the 46th BNI. Again there is Cawnpore (Bibigarh) which was no battle but the slaughter of helpless prisoners. Also I am about to write a page for the destruction of the 26th BNI which was wiped out at Ajnala after surrendering. Maybe we should have a Category:Outrages but it is dangerously subjective. A FIBIS policy decision?<br>I have also made a few pages recently for the outbreak of mutiny at various locations. I have put them under Indian Mutiny obviously but also under Battles and used the Battle Info Box. They can't really go under Mutinies as they would look a lot more coherentas though they were separate from the Indian Mutiny.Any suggestions?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0210:1038, 25 March 14 October 2009 (PDT)
== Skinner's Horse Campaign Maps ==Naively I thought that if it is in Google Books we are in have just found on the Fibiwiki Main Page the clear! However we come back link to Fibiwiki Battle Maps. This leads to that old problem of the difference between copyright in USA and UK44 maps on 9 pages. Dictionary of Indian Biography The inconsistent thing is a snippet when viewed here. It may that they are not battle maps but war or may not be in full view in the UScampaign maps. Phyllis Danko who has been part of the Battles research has sent me PDFs available as downloads from Google Books which They are full view for her also in New Hampshire but a snipppet random order and as far as I can see you can't search for mea title. Here's the conundrum: if SHE edits the FIBIwiki, can she use material that is copyright for her but not for UK? If I edit you put Sind Campaign into the FIBIwiki using the pdfsearch bar you get Campaign Court, am I breaking copyright? Would it make any difference if FIBIS were American based? Globalisation brings such problems. But we need to have the answer.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 02:10Chantry Close, 25 March 2009 (PDT) :Leave it to me Guv. I'll do it today.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 03:36Westminster, 28 March 2009 (PDT)== BACSA link on RRL Cemeteries ... == Hi SarahSorryLondon W9, but I am not happy about you forcing people to do a two-step to get to the BACSA website. The internal link adds no real value. It is far better for folk who UK! They are interested to also in Map format though Terrain format would be able to go straight to the horse's mouthpreferable. Note that the link should be to the BACSA mainpage and not to their publications page. The point of the link is to provide info on BACSA; Idon've listed t think this is the publications. Their list of transcription titles was produced by a not very good scan and at the moment contains a number of typosmost helpful link.So the question is: will Have you restore the external link or may Iany influence?Regards --[[User:EleanorNeilSymorsebrown|EleanorNeilSy]] 0910:1638, 25 March 15 October 2009 (PDT)
==User Talk==
When I left a message on Sy's User Talk I noticed the Date and Time generated were not correct. [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:23, 13 December 2009 (PST)
==Veterinary Surgeon==
Hi Sarah. Re Veterinary Surgeons/IMS . At least up until 1860 they were part of the IMS, being listed above Warrant Officer Apothecaries.
http://books.google.com/books?id=O94NAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR9 1838 Bengal Directory; http://books.google.com/books?id=ahe1AAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PR17 Madras October 1860[[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 14:23, 16 December 2009 (PST)
==Non-British Ancestors==
Hi Sarah re http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Non-British_Ancestors. The information on this page, being a category, does not show up in a search.Is it possible to put the information into an article? Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 04:44, 20 December 2009 (PST)
==Indian Civil Service==
Hi Sarah I was just looking at a link which Lee added and I think I managed to delete it.I don't know how this happened as I didn't physically delete.I haven't touched it again. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:41, 29 December 2009 (PST)
Lee has now fixed this up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:26, 29 December 2009 (PST)
==Scholars or antiquarians==
Sorry Sarah I was copying an old link to see if I could find an archived version and somehow I managed to reinstate it. Obviously I am doing something incorrect when I look at past versions.See previous post also. [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 20:41, 3 January 2010 (PST)
== Church Details Redirect ==This from today's India ListMaureen has recently added 3rd Light Dragoons with an on-line book she has found. http://www3rd Light Dragoons was an earlier name of 17th Dragoons so I transferred the information there.hinduI tried to put a redirect on 3rd Light Dragoons but it doesn't work.com/2009/03/10/stories/2009031052220200Clearly I have lost my marbles again.htm Can we nick it for FIBIWIKIWhat have I done wrong?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0501:5826, 26 March 2009 7 January 2010 (PDTPST)
== 19th Regiment of Foot Bengal Infantry ==Wanting I am trying to add Chronology get to this grips with the chronology of the various Bengal Infantry Regiments before the Mutiny. The archive.org volume [http://www.archive.org/stream/anhistoricalacc00willgoog#page I found /n7/mode/2up here] has been very useful if a long article derived from Cathy Day's Website. In order bit muddly but it only goes up to separate the article from reorganisation of 1796. I attach the other content spreadsheet I have done some recasting . I have also removed the request made to try to contact analyse the author (it doesn't seem appropriate for the Fibiwiki)changes. I hope this It contains a number of unresolved contradictions and is not going to upset anyonehelped by the relatively few details in the regiments.org website [http://web.archive.org/web/20071015183834/www.regiments.org/regiments/southasia/lists/ia1859b.<br>One thing I couldn't dohtm here]. The heading "Known Our list, in common with others, uses the titles as Green Howards" should be under at the title reorganisation of 1824 and I think these remained unchanged until 1857. I have not part been able to find any details of the contents box1824 changes. How do With your superior internet powers, have you do thatany suggestion where I can look further?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1003:3003, 26 March 2009 11 January 2010 (PDTPST)
:Thanks for looking this overGreat template.I will of course add it from now on. As you can see I have made some progress revising the BNI pages. I have a feeling I have done the easy bit as I have got to regiments which were formed after the 1796 and before the 1824 reorganisation. I am not sure yet how we track them. For instance the 14th BNI started in 1765 but its number changed to 19th in 1775. The 24th BNI became 14th in 1775 but mutinied and was disbanded in 1795. The 20th became the 14th in 1795 but changed to 2nd Btn 10th in 1796. A new 14th was formed in 1824 from 1st Btn 10th and it is the 1824 numbers that we are using in our list. Perhaps we should have a table with the regiment numbers listed vertically and cells along the row to link to the pedigree of the regiment in 1764, 1775, 1781, 1796 etc. Any thoughts?--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0300:3347, 28 March 2009 16 January 2010 (PDTPST)
== Belwar Fort Society Reading List==There Hi Sarah Could you change the link mentioned for George Atkinson, author of Curry and Rice,as the existing one no longer works. It is the second link, not the one to the actual book Curry and Rice. http://www.archive.org/stream/balladsofburmaan00oolarich#page/4/mode/2up Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:13, 16 January 2010 (PST)==100th Regiment of Foot/92nd Regiment of Foot==Hi Sarah. I have just added a page for Belwar link here. All the time the Regiment was in Locations India it was known as well as Belwar Fortthe 92nd Foot, I think that is the more meaningful heading, not the 100th Foot. Should they be linked/amalgamated?--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0403:2324, 28 March 2009 17 January 2010 (PDTPST)
== Madras Infantry Regiments Gordon Highlanders ==Looking at the pages I am trying to get think the current page should be renamed 92nd Regt and a grip on the chronology of the Punjabi Regiments new page made for 100th. 75th and this has led me 92nd joined in 1881 to the antecedents of some who become 1st and 2nd Btn Gordon Highlanders. There were the Madras Infantryseveral 100th Regts see [http://en. I have created two Articles: Madras European Infantry and Madras Native Infantry which I have put in a category of Madras Infantry which is a subcategory of Madras Infantry Regimentswikipedia. I have now had doubts about the hierarchyorg/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot Wikipedia]. Should Our new 100th page could sweep up the order be Madras Infantry with subcategories European and Native with articles for the regiments? Please advise and recast as you think fitvarious strands.--[The one that fought in India was [Userhttp:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:30, 29 March 2009 //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100th_Regiment_of_Foot_(PDTLoyal_Lincolnshire_Regiment)this one].
I have got Peter's book and it has some useful detail about suggest these general biographies could be put on the structure of the armies but of course doesn't address these issues of cataloguingwar pages as well as any special Military Biography page.<br>--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 04:58, 19 January 2010 (PST)
== Bengal Infantry Table==Well done I am off for finding it a month tomorrow morning and must draw a line under this. You will see that I have entered the first 30 odd regiments on the mapBengal Infantry Table. Must be I have created some of the place early units as Battalions but there are still gaps and the whole thing needs a thorough going over as I am sure there are contradictions. If we could find another list of regiments as a cross check it checks with the coordinates in the Gazetteerwould help. I have corrested the coordinates, mounted don't think we are ready for this page to go live yet so I haven't added a map extract and added the external category link . Talk to your account you again at the end of the Naval BrigadeFebruary.Regards --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1009:53, 21 January 2010 (PST)==Hyderabad Contingent==Hi Sarah, I made an article for this, hope this was the right thing to do. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 18:4133, 2 April 2009 21 January 2010 (PDTPST)
== Chronological Lists Singapore==Picking out points in the order of your comments:*Yes there are lots of battles that donHi Sarah I haven't form part read every link of campaigns but generally during the Mutiny. If medical history articles I knew more I might be able to identify all the campaigns in have added, but most of the mutiny but ones I am not sure whether they would still include all did read had the battlesnames of people scattered throughout and some had quite a lot of names. Many of Even the battles could be grouped where they were actions by others I thought added a particular army unit such as sense of the Sarun Field Force or social conditions at the Central Indian Field Force. I just don't know enough.*The page looks fine. What category will it time which could be under? Are we going to mix up campaigns and battles or have separate lists? What happens when a war spans two of your double decades? *Do we now need interest to go through those who had ancestors living at the wars and campaigns and remove the dates in the title? This is laborious because you can't change the title of a category by moving it as you can with an articletime. As far as I know we will still have some other links to go through and change the internal links in all the battles associated with the particular campaignadd but will not do so if you think they are not relevant.<br>--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1017:5905, 2 April 2009 8 February 2010 (PDTPST)
Thanks Sarah for the link you gave. I think we should not muddle up Campaigns and Battles didn't realise the Archive catalogue was on the same listBACSA site. Let's just get on with The way I did the Campaigns chronological list and see how we links seemed clearest to me, but you may feel laterthey should be done differently.Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 02:37, 15 February 2010 (PST)
== Bengal Infantry ==I suggest for the few campaigns would be happy with Bengal Infantry Finder. The highlighting helps legibility. I did think that overlap two double decades we put them in the section in later tables which they startedare not so wide could go side by side but that is beyond my powers.I have noticed some duplication in our Bengal Army pages:
We have '''Category:Bengal Infantry Regiments''' which lists all the Bengal infantry regiments and we have '''Bengal Army Regiments''' which also lists them (Iprefer the layout of the latter where 1st precedes 10th) plus a whole lot of local contingents most of which are post Mutiny and don'll t yet have ago at adding to articles plus regiments of the page and Punjab Irregular Force which are duplicated under '''Category:Punjab Frontier Force Infantry'''. Then we have a list of Punjab Infantry regiments in red but these in fact have articles with a different title under '''Category:Indian Army Infantry Regiments''' - see how much 22nd Punjab Infantry/22nd Regiment of a mess I makePunjab Infantry.
== 4th Gurkha Rifles Bengal Infantry again again==Sorry SarahWell, thanks to your BL information I was able to sort out my spreadsheet and with a bit of guesswork eliminated all the anomalies. Clearly a temporary loss From this I have recast the Bengal Infantry Finder looking at every one of gripthe 550 cells again. I am sure there are a few errors and I really should have realised there one more trawl through but I was already losing the will to live. I would like to have your comments now and a pagenote of any mistakes you find by the odd spot check. I'll qualify to fly solo one daywill then finish it off.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 00:48, 6 May 2009 (PDT)
== 4th Hussars Apothecary==There must be something strange about the link to Shadows of TimeHi Sarah. I have just tested agree the 4th Hussars Regimental Records page that you removed and article is getting long, so it works fine. It would be good best to reinstate it if we can. It has a wealth split of genealogical information.--the Individuals as you suggest [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 0117:3335, 12 May 2009 19 March 2010 (PDT)
==Macao Expedition==
I have seen no other Macao Expedition so have removed the date from the title and have added it to the chronological list. I have categorized it as Wars and Campaigns (though it might equally be under Minor Campaigns) and Napoleonic War. I hope you agree. I have also changed the spelling to the old spelling to link it to the Location page. Also a few internal links and other stuff which perhaps you could vet. I don't know Nick Adams - I hope he wont be upset but this surgery.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 08:18, 25 March 2010 (PDT)
==Forums/Message boards/ELs==
Hi Sarah. Thanks for the reasoning. Regards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]] 22:38, 8 April 2010 (PDT)
== 1st Belooch Regiment District Info box==hi, I think we can use the old one with a slight alteration - add the headquarter info to it and remove the altitude (as it varies). Coordinates would help with location. About the image: it should remain - does not necessarily have to be for a map - could be any interesting image of the province. just my thoughts. regards [[User:Rzafar|Rzafar]] 03:19, 16 April 2010 (PDT)
== Agra rail map User status ==One of the ways I tried to fix the cite problem meant that sysops would lose editing rights, unless they were a member of another group that had editing rights, so I added you to the bot group too. I'm not using that way now, so I can remove you if you prefer.
BTW - I uploaded also changed the Agra rail map (no worries about copyright) CSS so that cite references are slightly smaller and popped highlighted blue when clicked whilst I was playing with it on the Agra page. You suggested you would attend to the stations. Can I ask a favour? I created content for "How think it makes it easier to interpret this infobox" see which can be found by clicking [[How ref you are being referred to interpret this infobox|here]]. I need someone to critically cast their eye over what I have written and come back to me with straightforward observations like "I would have wanted to know about X , but it only told me Y." (if you prefer the old way I can then add Zchange it back.) Would you mind? --[[User:HughWildingValmay|HughWildingFIBIS Webmaster]] 1314:3257, 15 May 2009 June 2010 (PDTUTC)
== Recent edits [[Civil Service reading list]]==Additional wording suggested:After "Check the FIBIS Online Bookshop for availability of recommended titles and more information" add: under the heading Indian Civil Service.
== Map template ==I hope these are have just made a Google Map of the 17thC HEIC Factories locations. Realising that the Battle Map template is not too nitpickingappropriate, I have tried to make a new Map template. Have a look at the East India Company page. It is rather crude and, if we use the map image I have chosen, the text would be better below the image. If you have time to refine it, I would be grateful.--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 0817:5147, 20 May 2009 12 November 2010 (PDTUTC)
== Hyderabad Subsidiary Force Green Template link to FIBIS Google Books Library==There seem to Hi Sarah. I have been several contingents noticed the link is broken for some of troops under the Nizamlinks from the green template to the FIBIS Google Books Library,, eg for the template on [[Indian Mutiny]], [[Burma]], [[Life in India#Passage to India]]. Many of them came together under I tried to replace these links , based on one which is still working which is located on the page [[http://enBritish India]].wikipediaOn my first, and only attempt, on the page [[Indian Mutiny]] I was partially successful, in that the link goes to the Google Books Library, but it doesn't go to the category Indian Mutiny.org/wiki/9th_Royal_Deccan_Horse 9th Deccan Royal HorseRegards [[User:Maureene|Maureene]]. 21:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Hi Sarah currently I will have a go at sorting them out. Incidentally there are dozens of units under Auxillary Regiments that working link, although for how long I havendon't even begun to look atknow.--Regards [[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 1304:5241, 20 May 2009 18 November 2010 (PDTUTC)
== Polygar War Reginald Malpas Gore ==This seems to Hello Sarah<br />I have followed the 4th Maratha War. It wasn't included in Peternow received from David Gore better res images of his father's Battle Listphotos. I will have put it them on the page but as usual my 'limited skills have been unable to do' listarrange them neatly without encroaching on the paragraph below. Could you please work your magic on them? They are all thumbnails as this seems the only format which includes the title.Regards--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 1312:5229, 20 May 2009 2 February 2011 (PDTUTC)
== Nizam's Army People by occupation ==Thanks for your message Sarah. You are quite right. They shouldnthe wiki expert so I't ll go along with however you feel it should be under Madras Armyorganised. You will see from my notes on When I started the pages Military Commanders biographies I found a lot of the Hyderabad Contingent Regiments that the Hyderabad Contingent was part of the Nizam's Army though single people under Ocupations so I relocated them to People. I imaginehave also created a Category for Military Commanders with British, French, due to the location of HyderabadIndian and Other subcategories. If you feel this needs re-casting, contact with HEIC please let me know. The sticking point for me was with the Madras Presidency. It putting East India Company under Category:People by Occupation when it is better as manifestly neither a separate categoryperson or an occupation. Thanks for your help. I recently found this list of State Forces which I was going to try to reconcile with the regiments we already have documented--[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 07:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
== Tables Indian Subordinate Medical Service==Thanks for thatHi Sarah, the ISM Service is different to the ISM Department, according to this Google Books link http://books. I'll give it a gogoogle.com.au/books?id=PShpbwti_3EC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Indian+Subordinate+Medical+Service&source=bl&ots=RpsqnAStyB&sig=POStCCl2jHkwfNhmvvUIUPih-9U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cBXoUpiKOIq4iQeyvYHQDA&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Indian%20Subordinate%20Medical%20Service&f=false -Regards[[User:SymorsebrownMaureene|SyMaureene]] 13([[User talk:22, 10 June 2009 (PDTMaureene|talk]])
== Duar War Apothecary==Hi Sarah, I will certainly add it in. Thanks. must say I will be away for two weeks from 16 June so you wont see much activitydon’t agree with the quick definition of Apothecary which has been added. --[[User:Symorsebrown|Sy]] 13:22, 10 June 2009 (PDT)
